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Posted by bratao 18 hours ago

Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber(blog.google)
https://deepmind.google/models/model-cards/gemini-3-8-flash/
986 points | 563 commentspage 5
andreygrehov 16 hours ago|
I don't use Gemini, but I thought `cool, let's give this new model a try`. Opened gemini.google.com, and I'm not even surprised. The drop down gives me the following options:

- Flash-Lite

- 3.6 Flash [new]

- 3.1 Pro

The above is why i don't use LLM products from Google. If the model is not available right this minute (heck, hours before the release!), then I'm not gonna bother getting back to it tomorrow, because tomorrow I'll be playing with the new model from OAI/Anthropic.

raincole 16 hours ago||
It's such a weird attitude, especially considering that 1) it's readily available on AI Studio 2) Anthropic models were not always available the moment they got released either.

(It also shows that the internet isn't dead. Even people who are not aware of Google AI Studio can express their valuable opinions on LLMs!)

rockooooo 16 hours ago|||
"The new Gemini model isn't available in Gemini, the Gemini App Gemini model is two versions behind and marked as new and the actual new model is in AI Studio" is the kind of problem only Google has though.
notatoad 16 hours ago||||
it would be a bad take if the webui had 3.7 flash available in it today, and they just hadn't fully rolled out the latest model when they posted the launch announcement.

but the webui is currently offering 3.6 flash. the previous model still hasn't actually rolled out to it yet.

andreygrehov 16 hours ago|||
> it's readily available on AI Studio

AI Studio? Seriously, the hell is that? Gemini, AI Studio, Antigravity - what is all that nonsense? The 3.8 Flash announcement says the model is available to Google AI Pro customers. Is it the same as Gemini Pro, or some sort of AI Studio Pro? Based on the comments, i see the model is available in the Gemini App, not available in the UI, not available to Workspace accounts but is available to some personal accounts, yet I'm not a Workspace user. Some people have already mentioned that they are paid customers, yet they don't see the new model.

I know Google loves asking graph problems during their tech interviews, but I can't wrap my head why the customers should solve these problems as well.

rozap 16 hours ago||
wait you forgot vertex, that one is different
Sidio 16 hours ago|||
I'm a paid Gemini subscriber via Workspace Standard accounts and yet I also only have access to 3.6.

So frustrating and confusing.

Meanwhile Anthropic and OpenAI simply release a model everywhere (Fable on Pro only as a somewhat mild exception).

kyrra 16 hours ago|||
Workspace always gets things slower than normal Gmail accounts. They do a lot more to isolate data related to those accounts, so that's likely the cause here.

Anytime anything gets added to Workspace, I think Google has a lot more contractual obligations about keeping it around for X amount of time, so they tend to be more careful about adding things.

urams 16 hours ago||||
> I'm a paid Gemini subscriber via Workspace Standard accounts and yet I also only have access to 3.6.

Same and I have found it extremely annoying. I actually really like the Gemini models for question/answer stuff and reach for it before Claude (the other model family I have purchased) but it's getting long in the tooth at this point and I'm finding my Gemini usage shrinking to nearly 0.

bobtheborg 15 hours ago|||
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venusenvy47 16 hours ago|||
That looks like the options that get presented for Workspace users (like at my company). The personal Google accounts give more recent models, for some reason I don't understand.
addandsubtract 16 hours ago|||
As someone with a Pro subscription, I had access to 3.7 the day it came out. Expecting to have access to 3.8 now, too. It's only the free accounts that are behind.
replwoacause 14 hours ago||
I'm a Plus subscriber using a Gmail address and still only see 3.6
_zoltan_ 15 hours ago|||
The android Gemini app defaults to 3.8 flash already.
irthomasthomas 13 hours ago|||
Not on mine (UK), still 3.6, here.
akoboldfrying 12 hours ago|||
Still 3.6 ("new") for me, even 3.7 is not available.
scruple 16 hours ago|||
I see it on my Pixel with the Gemini app.
heliosAtwork 15 hours ago|||
It is a marketing failure by Google to not have the model available for everyone to experience the moment they announce. Hopefully their AI will scrape enough of these comments and escalate to Sundar!

It's available in antigravity which I started using again (for small things until I can trust gemini for coding again).

muhammadusman 16 hours ago|||
it's weird how the web ui doesn't show the latest flash options while the desktop/mobile apps update the same day as the release. I saw the model in the model selection (by coincidence) before seeing it show up on HN
notatoad 16 hours ago|||
yeah in typical google fashion, the best way to use the gemini models is by avoiding google's actual products. i've got a vision project where gemini flash is the best option by a long shot, and i just use openrouter so i don't have to navigate google's mess.
bingkaa 9 hours ago|||
i have it on gemini app the moment they announced it. pro, student
heymijo 16 hours ago|||
FYI, 3.8 Flash is available on aistudio.google.com (along with all of their other models)

But yeah, they really dgaf about gemini.google.com -- I dropped that sub in April when it was clear OAI and Anthropic had lapped them

Anslopic1 16 hours ago|||
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panarky 16 hours ago|||
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Oras 16 hours ago||
Sums up Google AI products.

I have a weird vibe from all the comments in this thread, they feel like a script rather a real experience.

aff-vasileva 15 hours ago||
The model seems fast enough to solve your problem before Google finishes explaining which of its three products you need to open to access it.
2001zhaozhao 14 hours ago||
How generous is the Google subscription quotas compared to Anthropic and OpenAI? This sounds like a really good potential model for high volume due to its speed and cost effectiveness.

(By high volume I mean things like "main app just updated with XYZ commits, please scan XYZ plugins and surface any compatibility issues")

654wak654 14 hours ago||
I'm on the Ultra plan and use it for chat, antigravity, and some other work automations (similar to your example). The only time I've ever hit my limit is when I use Deep Think (which usually eats up 4-5% of the 6-hour usage limit per response).
thereitgoes456 9 hours ago||
Really generous. I'm on the Pro plan and I just use Antigravity for vibe coding w/o automation. It's actually difficult to hit my weekly limit now, it takes about ~30-35 hours of continuous agent work, which virtually only happens when building a new app from scratch.
yipinwong 14 hours ago||
As a big proponent of GPT-5.6-Luna for the combination of speed/perf/(especially)price,

Flash 3.8 seems like where I can specify Flash3.8 as the coding model as part of agent workflow.

The video recognition is especially impressive as they got all of Youtube to train from.

- Def people who has to queue video recognition jobs to use the model.

mowmiatlas 17 hours ago||
Wow fable5.1 was the first model to do what I actually told it and I couldn’t find any problems with it, excited to try this just a day later lol
1saadcodes 3 hours ago||
The recent Sonnet models have been disappointing for me personally which is why I'm going look into using Opus/Fable as the planner and Flash as the executor. Let the expensive model handle the hard thinking and use Flash for implementation and tests so that I can stretch the Opus/Fable usage further
jetter 13 hours ago||
CAD for 3D printing is finally becoming feasible with Flash 3.7 and 3.8. Exciting times. https://github.com/ModelRift/openscad-skill/
henry-xli 14 hours ago||
I can’t wait until waiting hours and spending a big chunk of your usage per task seems antiquated, and real-time iteration on massive code changes is the norm. This might just be the year of efficiency, that truly allows AI to be used to the heart’s content.
lpolovets 16 hours ago||
I'm surprised the introductory 50% discount is good for 4 months. It seems like frontier models release new versions every 2-3 months, so raising prices in 4 months seems like a bad plan: you're effectively planning to charge users twice as much for a model that is no longer frontier.
hiddencost 15 hours ago|
The goal is to encourage users to move to the next generation. The fewer models they serve, the less excess capacity they need to provision.

Serving more models also adds a significant ops burden on the SREs and trust& safety teams.

wjellyz 16 hours ago|
been absolutely loving 3.7 flash for coding. it feels very fast and quality is decent for implementing product features. usually use opus or sol for hardcore debugging.
arizen 16 hours ago||
Is there any good subscription and CLI harness to use Gemini models now?

I tested Gemini CLI while ago, and it was awful tbh.

krat0sprakhar 16 hours ago||
Use antigravity CLI (https://antigravity.google/product/antigravity-cli)
qudat 14 hours ago||
i think it's better than sonnet 5, especially when you compare speeds. i have to work with the llm anyway, the faster i can turn it the better the outcome.
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