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Posted by sylvainkalache 4 hours ago

AI handles incidents, engineers lose touch with their systems(www.sylvainkalache.com)
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gnfargbl 2 hours ago|
This article is all hypothesis and no evidence.

Yes, it's clear that if AI agents handle routine issues then only the most complex issues will be handled by humans. In no way does it follow that humans will be less prepared to handle those incidents than they are now; by definition, this class of problems have no rote solutions. Each issue of this type already requires deep system knowledge to remediate, and still will.

What we are seeing here is an instance of the more general trend where experts are still required to operate complex systems, but AI is destroying the career path that creates those experts. That's what we should be worrying about, not that people are going to be spending less time rebooting boxes. This isn't something you can fix with a "simulator."

intended 2 hours ago|
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironies_of_Automation

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/000510...

The article is based on evidence, and states it clearly in the body.

pvtmert 3 hours ago||
When someone else -whether AI agent or a human- solves the recurring minor problems for you, those problems become non-issue, get swept under the rug, just to accumulate more dust.

One day, those may become bigger as they are forgotten, causing havoc. The standard root-cause-analysis depending on systems having certain retention period, which may be expired at that time.

It is important to get real hold of one's systems from end-to-end aspect, which holds true for both AI and human operators...

hypfer 3 hours ago||
Meta: The blinking cursor of the "logo" of the blog being sticky in the top left corner makes it impossible for me to read the text. It constantly fires interrupts at me.

Depending on what your goals as the author are, you may or may not want that.

Being able to scroll it out of view might be enough to achieve the aesthetics goal, and the goal of people actually listening to you.

amlib 2 hours ago||
If you have something like ublock origin use the block element functionality to target the blinking cursor. It's gone on my end :)
Traubenfuchs 2 hours ago||
Not just you. Must be nice being fully neurotypical and „not seeing“ all of this kind of stuff.
duskdozer 2 hours ago|||
The internet for me (and increasingly non-internet programs) is unusable at this point without excessive modifications. It's hard to imagine what it's like being unbothered by it all.
hypfer 2 hours ago|||
I mean seeing this stuff pays the bills and does so quite well, so..
bitlad 3 hours ago||
We have been running Agents on infrastructure and letting to create resources, scale up and down, security scans etc.

I agree with premise of thr blog. The question i have been asking internal does knowing your system really matter if you can recreate it in minutes.

We recently had a situation, where in with our internal platform and claude we recreated everything in minutes.

Management in the end cares about the outcome and not how the meat is made.

ThePhysicist 3 hours ago||
Isn't there anywhere to "go" from here? In the last decades, introducing new high level abstractions on top of existing paradigms naturally had everyone move up the ladder and work at the next higher level, why should this be different these days? Do we think AI will reach the top of the abstraction ceiling, so there's no where to go from here?
exceptione 2 hours ago||
This isn't abstraction though. Outsourcing is a better term. If things continue moving up that latter, you will see that your agent/agency will pass the buck too. But there should always be some last turtle. Maybe that turtle will be the human that thought he was climbing the latter, who knows.
qsera 2 hours ago|||
>introducing new high level abstractions...

Coding via LLM is not similar to using an abstraction. Imagine a car. The controls like steering wheel, the pedals, the gear levers. Those are abstractions.

But using LLMs are like driving using a remote control that has probabilistic behavior. You just loss what it feels to be in a car and you fail to improve as a driver because of the erratic remote control.

davenci 3 hours ago||
That’s the big question for sure
fhub 3 hours ago||
You’d hope these AI incident responders have very constrained production tools to fix things. You’d hope the humans remain familiar with those tools and they are incredibly well documented.
king_phil 3 hours ago||
The article does not get the point. What aircraft companies did was separate training and work, and SRE/IT typically does not.

An AI can handle routine incidents and then present learning cases from that routine work for training, because the skill in SRE is not the mechanical log grepping, grafana dashboard browsing etc but forming the hypothesis. AI incident reports can create training cases that are a much better training for hypothesis forming and testing than the work itself can.

gyanchawdhary 1 hour ago||
1980's .. compilers handle assembly, engineers loos touch with their code ...
intended 4 hours ago|
Ironies of Automation is front and center in this article which is awesome. Many of the conversations on AI automation are describing or rediscovering the insights the paper covered.
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