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Posted by saikatsg 5 hours ago

We have a year to fix security everywhere(jyn.dev)
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nullbio 2 hours ago|
Going to be hard to fix security when the frontier labs won't let us fix bugs in our own codebases without them offering refusals or bans.
zkmon 4 hours ago||
The standard strategy of a security salesman since 1945. Develop dangerous weapons, show the damage they can do, and sell security cover to the terrified people.

Every single piece of technology did this. As a side effect or direct effect, they make bad guys more powerful and then keep on piling up new tech to deal with that. The cycle continues.

madaxe_again 2 hours ago|
Since 1945? Friend, this has been the case since the invention of the pointy stick.
kreetx 2 hours ago||
A positive way to spin this is: we have a year to break in into any IT system. After that, it will be all either fixed or broken into, and all is fixed ever after. :)
andy_ppp 3 hours ago||
Not sure, the labs will probably just cripple the security features of these models for a while I think and even potentially put back doors into systems for the security services…
kennywinker 3 hours ago|
I think the author's point is that open weight models aren't going to be locked down like that.

And even if they are locked down, it's hours between a model being released on huggingface and an "abliterated" variant that has most of its security features removed is uploaded.

daymanstep 2 hours ago||
As LLMs make formal verification cheaper (they can generate proofs that can then be automatically checked) many of the verifiable components of software systems, such as compilers and microkernels, will be verified. I suppose the issue is that the critical bugs are rarely in compilers and microkernels, but more often in applications, such as web browsers, which are more difficult to formally verify.
jasonvorhe 1 hour ago||
> And a big fuck you to DeAlignAI, Z.ai, and everyone else who's been participating in this race to the bottom.

I'm so glad frontier level AI isn't in the hands of just the Altmans and that other cult leader who are currently live testing their products in actual conflicts in the middle east and Ukraine.

petesergeant 5 hours ago||
Mmm, a world where a defender-LLM is essentially required is great news for people selling inference.
the8472 2 hours ago|
Defender LLMs without human in the loop are just another prompt injection (AI phishing) and DoS attack vector. Any meaningful mitigation capability you give them is also a capability to do damage. If they can only deploy package updates that's not meaningful because you could do that on a cronjob too. And even something as simple as a circuit breaker can turn into a DoS.

Attacker-GLM: "Defense also GLM. Request to help peer."

bamboozled 1 hour ago||
We had decades to avert the worst effects of climate change…batten down the hatches.
the_arun 5 hours ago||
How to secure our identity layers(AuthN & AuthZ)? Let alone the products.
ma2kx 4 hours ago|
I don't see much hope since I last explored some github repositories. There was a time when a successful repo had about 10 - 20k stars and usually those older repos stay around this level. But now there is a ton of vibe coded slop 50k + stars. Most of them have a "nice look", maybe even extensive docs but are usually build with no security considerations at all. One recommended to provide a "google app password" to the agent which has the same permissions as your regular login. Another was a browser plugin with permissions to read all cookies, inject js, open background tabs etc. You would probably assume the chrome store would at least put some visible warnings on the app store page or force the user to actively confirm those permissions. But because they are already stated in the manifest there is only a small footnote and it's even "recommended by google".
cuu508 3 hours ago|
It's a good time to reduce the reliance on technology.

Throw out the IoT and "smart" stuff from your home. Remove apps from your phone and leave the absolute basics. Go through the password manager and close accounts for sites you are no longer using. Start migrating off Google. Print out your most precious photos on paper. And so on :-)

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