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Posted by yks 16 hours ago

Muse – Meta’s personal AI agent(ai.meta.com)
534 points | 583 commentspage 4
aschla 11 hours ago|
The "Ideas" section looks primed to eventually list Sponsored "ideas".
postatic 4 hours ago||
The initial reaction is "why on earth would I give Facebook MORE of my data, no way" but as some commenters said, this would be a great tool to use to see if it can automate some of the tools that I have not been able to automate (e.g. Facebook most of all!)
litmus-pit-git 1 hour ago|
If it will help me search (or rather "comb") through rental posts on the trillions Facebook groups (that Facebook spent years making in unsearchable sanely) I have to subscribe to (just for my city) and make it even 10% better for me, I might as well pay a bit for this tool. Why? Because I like it or hate it - that's where the rental posts live (and very little elsewhere - and even those are on Facebook).
Kuyawa 10 hours ago||
Shouldn't it be a WhatsApp contact? Just like a bot but with extra powers. Why a separate app?

I may/not download it but if it was a WhatsApp Assistant it would already be installed in a billion devices, just like Siri

I know it's not 'just a bot', it's an agent, assistant, whatever, but it's code and can be included in some other code with the same capabilities as if stand-alone

mgaunard 10 hours ago|
it's supposed to work from whatsapp. It's US-only so I could not verify.
jmathai 9 hours ago||
> Your personal data is safe and secure

That's from the article. I can't think of anyone I'd trust less with my data than Meta. Well, thieves, I guess.

anonym00se1 7 hours ago||
I'd trust thieves with my data over Meta because thieves can do less harm with it.
cmoski 9 hours ago|||
Safe and secure on our servers. We will use it to sell you stuff.
nullbio 6 hours ago|||
Remember that time they were spying on all of their "free" VPN traffic through some elaborate scheme? Onavo, for anyone interested. This was only like 2 years ago.
grumbelbart2 6 hours ago||
Remember when their Android app would open a local TCP port, and they would have websites connect to localhost:PORT so they could deanonymize you? That was only like 1 year ago.
hokumguru 8 hours ago|||
I trust Meta far more than, say, Anthropic. For one, the judgments against them from the government just mean that they have tons of oversight and auditing happening now. The other providers are just the wild west with privacy.
jmathai 7 hours ago|||
Really? There's so much information about how Meta targeted children with addictive design patterns. They paid the fine, and profited in the meantime. Do you really think they have any reason not to do the same in the future?
nullbio 6 hours ago|||
True, actually. Anthropic is a much bigger danger than anything else right now. Still though, Meta earns a solid 10% of trust from me.
xfz 6 hours ago|||
Also:

"...and your conversations are not shared with Meta's ad systems".

I think they missed off "for now".

gorgoiler 8 hours ago|||
Do you mean in terms of competence at resisting breaches? I trust Meta’s security team a lot more than anyone else’s in that respect.

They are big enough and pay well to have a competent team. Compared with momandpop.com (willing but too small) or equifax (big but unwilling) and given the kind of data they are guarding, they’re probably the best in the business.

jmathai 7 hours ago||
I trust Meta will keep those they don't want to access the data out. It's Meta that I don't trust.
gverrilla 9 hours ago|||
You should probably trust thieves more than Meta.
hiddencost 8 hours ago||
OpenAI?
dools 15 hours ago||
I love how the marketing departments of these things always imagine people are just constantly plagued by the hassle of organising their flights, restaurant bookings and movie tickets
ihumanable 15 hours ago||
I liked how in the example here it tells the user "Your flight is delayed 2hrs due to storms in Denver..."

Then says "checking alternate routes" then shows them a card with their original flight details (it does have "Delayed" in red at the top) and asks them if they would like to change their flight.

The user responds with "Yes please! :thumbsup:"

The AI does not provide any information about the new flight, and only displays a card for the original flight, which being the original, is the day and time the User likely wanted to travel.

Between it being the only piece of information on the screen and the status of "checking for alternate routes" it will certainly be a surprise for the User when their Sept. 17th 5:45 departure has been rescheduled for Sept. 19th to avoid a two hour delay. Helpfully replaced with a 2 day delay, thanks Muse!

addandsubtract 14 hours ago||
Which airline lets you change flights?! Is this an NA thing?
throw03172019 14 hours ago|||
Usually they let you without a fee if it’s their fault (I.e delay)
warkdarrior 12 hours ago|||
Most airlines let you change flights, usually for a fee plus the difference in fares. The fee may be zero if your original ticket allows it -- sometimes called "flexible fare."
hazelnut 15 hours ago|||
It's because people who create these use cases perceive this as a difficult and painful task - but how many people really think about their flights over the day? Pretty sure the majority of Meta users has not flight booked for the next 3 months. I can only assume that this is more seen as a showstopper. Look how difficult this is and how we solved it.

Shopping is another classic. I personally don't want to trust an AI agent with checkout. research is fine, but I don't want the AI to go on a shopping spree or Amazon added some subscription into their checkout flow and suddenly, I'm paying for Prime because my AI agent thought it's a good idea or just missed it.

It's not unheard of that Amazon bundles a subscription into your checkout. So I don't think it's too unrealistic.

mminer237 10 hours ago||
Not to mention the adversarial risk. Prompt injection, LLM-maximized advertising, and just common scams are going to take so much money if these catch on.
dgellow 15 hours ago|||
And your emails! It can manage your email and schedule! Wow, so great, it can handle all the 10 DHL notifications and other spammy things I got over the past week. And my empty personal calendar
weitendorf 4 hours ago|||
I’m pretty sure if you asked my mom what problems AI could help solve for her, navigating website’s purchasing/account flows and directly answering questions about the contents of her email would be #1 and #2.

And my mom doesn’t use AI products like chatgpt because she’s not a student, nor agents because she doesn’t work in tech. To her AI, is no different from those chatbots websites pop up in the corner, the ones you never seek out or interact with intentionally, because you don’t need what they offer.

So I actually think this kind of marketing is quite helpful for regular people who mostly just use their phones to buy stuff, looking things up, navigate life, and entertainment. My mom doesn’t give a shit about APIs or sandboxing, or benchmarks and to her it literally is a hassle to manage a million one-off accounts and confirmation codes and receipts when she just wants to buy something on her phone. She would not assume AI is capable of that or know how to set it up locally.

that’s not even getting into the fact that the top 10% controls 50% of consumer spending in the US and primarily purchases convenience + health + experiences, whereas the other 90% primarily prefers to buy aspirational/identity based goods that evoke their mental model of a higher status lifestyle. It’s why the same bustling lifestyle archetype you criticize is literally used exclusively in car ads, housing marketing materials, consumer electronics, home goods, etc. Because normal people want to feel and/or look good not spawn subagents

DenisM 12 hours ago|||
The original selling point of mobile web (tiny screen with text-only data, before real mobile web) on mobile phones or even watches was checking stock prices and weather. It was really weird that checking stock prices was something you need to do on the go, especially from the watch.
ryandrake 14 hours ago|||
If you want to know why Silicon Valley Execs think these are such huge pain points, think about what Silicon Valley Execs farm out to their armies of personal assistants. Some Senior Vice President guy probably has a lot of restaurant bookings and would forget them if they didn't have a PA to help organize them.

AI itself is a product that could only come from the mind of a corporate executive: It's a cheerful, helpful sycophant, who always does what it's told and stays in its lane, has infinite energy and memory, and allows the user to concentrate on his golf game instead of all those mundane other things. It's the perfect employee, from their perspective.

kridsdale3 12 hours ago||
An employee who doesn't draw a salary is called something else.
evilduck 9 hours ago||
Intern?
LtWorf 15 hours ago|||
To be fair it is a pain in the ass… but i'm sure having an AI do it would make things worse :D
darkwizard42 15 hours ago||
The average person is not using a calendar and is not getting more than 1 relevant personal email per week.

Most people use their personal email extremely sparingly and it is inundated with promotional / account-related materials which are already handled rather deftly by most mainstream email providers

IshKebab 15 hours ago|||
Ha, tell me you don't have children without...
darkwizard42 9 hours ago||
The average kid in an average suburban public school is not getting this amount of digital communication. If they are, they still aren't using a Google Calendar and are managing the complexity in much simpler ways (paper calendars)
pwarner 9 hours ago||
I think they mean the parents. I got 5 emails from the kids school today, and have regular calendar events related to the kids. So yeah this is for parents
dools 6 hours ago||
To be fair I do get fucking hammered by school emails, and not just school school but dance school.

But like, an AI would just tell me what’s in the email and ask me what I want to do about it which is almost always ignore it and I know what’s in the email because I have eyes.

sudohalt 15 hours ago|||
lol no one is getting personal emails, maybe some people get one every few months, but most probably never (not taking into account other than order/shipping confirmations, login codes, etc)
subpixel 14 hours ago||
I can only imagine you have no kids, serve on no boards, do not volunteer, and play no sports.
darkwizard42 9 hours ago||
The average person is not serving on a board and is definitely not volunteering.

Sports communications at most travel/rec leagues is via group chat / Whatsapp / FB group.

iAMkenough 14 hours ago|||
Or in Muse’s case, helping your child pick out school supplies for their third grade year.

Meta’s ideal parent is too busy to spend time with their kids, so they let the AI pick sponsored garbage for their cart and check out with their Link payment details.

pydry 15 hours ago|||
i think product just uses these use cases as their example demos and then when they show it to marketing theyre like "OK I guess this is what it's for".

(at least, this is what ive seen)

moomoo11 15 hours ago||
these are all tarpit ideas

i've gone on many trips before, and one of the most fun parts of it is doing the actual planning and finding stuff

i'd much rather AI do the boring shit, like when it comes to insurance with multiple parties and service providers involved that don't talk to each other at all, making things 10x more complicated than they need to be

paultreanor 8 hours ago||
It's still very obvious that they have come up with genuine killer usecases for agents for normal life admin.

Like this is the best they can do?

"Tickets just opened for the movie you're tracking. 4:30 PM or 7:30 PM. Interesting?"

tyre 8 hours ago||
The problem is that most of the annoying parts of daily life are pretty personal and don't have clear APIs. Like, I need to coördinate with my building manager, a contractor and that contractor's insurance agency about their policy. A personal assistant would be great for this (it's all over email.)

But it's pretty niche and one-off for me. How do you market that? There are 20 of these random things per year, but no single one of them is likely to resonate generally.

edg5000 8 hours ago|||
Had codex organise my music collection yesterday. I think it'll do my quarterly reporting soon as well. Indeed a pretty lame example they used.
SoftTalker 8 hours ago||
At least it wasn't booking a flight or restaurant reservation.
ngd 15 hours ago||
Every example from the tweet influencers I saw was about spending money. The exception I got excited about for a second was about saving money but alas it was just about spending less money
chvid 16 hours ago||
Probably useful for influencers, people managing social media, content marketing etc.

The schedule your tennis lessons and do your travel package list scenarios are of course rubbish.

halamadrid 11 hours ago||
If there is one company that I'd never ever use for running a personal agent, that would be Meta. But they have the advantage of a large user base who still uses the platform heavily and a working personal agent is a huge pull for most of their users.
e12e 8 hours ago|
> Each of these stories will be written just for you

Great, now you can ask for a feed and the AI will create an entire world of news filling your feed, your very own echo chamber.

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