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Posted by meetpateltech 18 hours ago

iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max(www.apple.com)
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refactor_master 1 hour ago|
If you think a cryptographically signed image can’t be JPEGed 5 times and shared on Facebook for misinformation then here’s a relevant XKCD for you:

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png

nixuserb58 12 hours ago||
$300 price increase in India.人
justinator 15 hours ago||
Looking forward to the photo samples with the variable aperture. If it's something you can manually set (with the Camera app or third party), that would be neat. The miniaturization of this mechanical piece is really quite wild.

Eh, that's maybe about it.

timster6442 14 hours ago||
While it is a cool technical advance to see, its use case is probably niche. One of the biggest things people say about photography is lighting. In general, if you can get more photons onto your imaging plane, you will have a better picture. This is why phone cameras, despite advertising 100s of MPs, still fall short. For the same field of view and capture conditions, fewer photons are collected because phone sensor sizes are much smaller. This is a physical limitation that cannot be overcome.

Now given that they already have a lower photon budget, you now want to add aperture control, which when stopped down physically reduces the amount of light from the scene that reaches the sensor. Thus you need to compensate for these lost photons somehow, so gain will probably have to increase quite a bit, but then you get noisier, grainier photos. This then leads to the suspicion that you will need some sort of AI denoising or computational processing to recover some of that lost image quality. Though of course you can comp in other way such as exposure time (they can make big wins here with their stabilization) and tons of lighting.

Also a phone already starts with very deep depth of field because again smaller sensor size thus smaller focal length etc. Most images at their lower f stop is already in focus. So the ability to reduce aperture or simulate shallow DOF is trying to give users more of the creative control that larger sensor cameras naturally have (need to manipulate because of their larger sensor size) and doesn't make much sense to me.

tehnub 13 hours ago|||
>Also a phone already starts with very deep depth of field because again smaller sensor size thus smaller focal length etc. Most images at their lower f stop is already in focus. So the ability to reduce aperture or simulate shallow DOF is trying to give users more of the creative control that larger sensor cameras naturally have (need to manipulate because of their larger sensor size) and doesn't make much sense to me.

Totally agreed. I wonder if it will make 180-degree shutter angle video easier to achieve. The only way to achieve this on current iPhones during the day is using a pretty strong ND filter.

foldr 13 hours ago|||
The iPhone 18 Pro main camera is f/1.48, which is half a stop wider than the f/1.78 main camera on the 17 Pro. An f/1.48 fixed aperture would probably not be ideal (less depth of field, more revealing of lens aberrations) so there is a real light gathering advantage to the variable aperture.

>Also a phone already starts with very deep depth of field

Fairly deep. You can easily see background blur on a modern iPhone camera if you focus on something close. The very fact that the cameras all have variable focus shows that depth of field isn't as deep as all that. The extra depth of field from a narrower aperture could certainly be useful in some cases, such as landscapes. Here's a question for your favorite LLM:

"If I am shooting an iPhone 17 Pro main camera, what aperture would I theoretically need to get perfect focus from 1.5 meters to infinity, assuming a CoC suitable for a 12MP shot?"

Answer: about f3.2 if you manage to focus at the optimum hyperfocal distance.

>which when stopped down physically reduces the amount of light from the scene that reaches the sensor

As you say, this is only the case if you can't increase the exposure time to compensate. In daylight you will often have plenty of latitude to do so, even without image stabilization. Typical daylight shutter speeds at f/1.78 can be around 1/1000 at base ISO, so there is plenty of room to increase exposure time by 2-3 stops in those conditions.

mrheosuper 9 hours ago||
>The miniaturization of this mechanical piece is really quite wild.

It's nothing new, Samsung has done thing on the S9/S10, and recently Sony is also doing this, they even come with movable zoom lens

adolph 12 hours ago||
Is anyone else intrigued by the $129 "panel of over 50 biomarkers, aimed at enhancing preventive health insights?" This was mentioned in the Apple Health segment. [0] I checked out Quest's website and there wasn't an obvious match. [1]

0. https://www.biopharmawatch.com/news/DGX/apple-health-app-que...

1. https://www.questhealth.com/shop-tests

tonic_note 9 hours ago|
Yes, that felt very bizarre and glossed over. The specific details the speaker gave made me feel like it was a weird product placement, but like, _why_? Why would this multi-trillion-dollar behemoth needs to strike a brand deal with Quest?
cromka 4 hours ago||
They want they health models to learn based on consistent set of baseline markers. Pretty cool thing to do.
1970-01-01 17 hours ago||
Apple innovation truly looks dead at this point. At $1200 I expect them to be made in the USA by union workers.
infecto 15 hours ago||
Hyperbole if I have ever read it. Lots of other products released I don’t think the highlight was the iPhone 18.
spacebanana7 15 hours ago||
And even then the price of the phone ex memory is staying stable.

Even Apple can’t eat hundreds of dollars in extra cost per phone in competition with AI memory consumption.

tempest_ 14 hours ago||
Why would they?

Every one else is raising prices at so they will too.

nxc18 14 hours ago|||
Try $12,000 for that.
ballsac 15 hours ago||
This is the kind of nonsense I come here for… can I follow you? :D
SV_BubbleTime 8 hours ago||
I find it really strange they don’t mention the zoom magnification.
jghn 15 hours ago||
Just say no to phablets
diogenescynic 12 hours ago||
I just want a MacBook with a cellular modem. Why is this not sold?
nomel 12 hours ago|
I would assume it's because most people just tether to their phone with a USB cable or wireless with two mouse clicks.
jshier 10 hours ago|||
It's also because, until Apple's C-series models, they would've had to use Qualcomm modems which had a percentage-based royalty, and Apple would likely need a new contract for usage in Macs, so may had to pay even more. Even with their own modems they still have to pay Qualcomm's patent royalties, so it's likely just don't want to do that on devices which can cost over $10k today.
mrheosuper 9 hours ago|||
I don't want a seperate cable, and my iphone burn through battery like nothing when hotspoting.
ModernMech 16 hours ago|
Seems like at this point each year the biggest new feature is a new color.
brewdad 14 hours ago||
It works with normies.

My wife just preordered an 18 pro. She’s the family photographer and is still on a 128gb iPhone 12, so it’s time for an upgrade and she fell in love with the cherry color.

She bought the 12 instead of the more appropriate 12 pro years ago because she loved the purple that she couldn’t get with a 12 pro.

Edit:typo

rconti 12 hours ago|||
Is it cherry? I see burgandy on the site. Also, preorders begin on the 12th.
brewdad 12 hours ago||
You’re right, Apple is calling it Burgundy. Previous leaks were calling it something or other cherry but it looks to be the same color.
ValentineC 10 hours ago||||
> My wife just preordered an 18 pro.

I guess this is from a reseller, and not from Apple.

brewdad 10 hours ago||
Apple was taking orders today. Maybe not in your region.
ValentineC 8 hours ago||
Which country are you in?
ModernMech 13 hours ago|||
Yeah I wish they made a Macbook that color, it's pretty nice.
sssilver 16 hours ago||
...and a brave new price
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