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Posted by LeoPanthera 12 hours ago

Automattic's board forces CEO Matt Mullenweg into leave of absence(techcrunch.com)
306 points | 210 commentspage 4
chris_wot 13 hours ago|
This is likely how they pull out of the disasterous legal actions Mullenweg has taken.
tibbydudeza 13 hours ago||
Finally.
dcrazy 14 hours ago||
I guess when people vote the same way, it’s technically a conspiracy?
biglyburrito 14 hours ago||
No, it's called "voting".
dcrazy 12 hours ago||
That was my point. My sarcasm mustn’t have come through.
antonvs 13 hours ago||
No, a conspiracy would require that they all got together in secret to plan to vote that way. Which is hardly necessary in a case like this.
hermitcrab 14 hours ago||
>Most recently, Automattic attempted to claim it owns the word “automatic.”

What is wrong with these people?

gkoberger 14 hours ago||
I was curious what this meant, so I looked into it.

They asked Automatic.css to change their name: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1omrtrk/automatt...

Automatic.css is a paid CSS framework specifically for WordPress.

Legally speaking I have no opinion here, but I don't think it's as out-of-pocket as it sounds.

hermitcrab 13 hours ago|||
The article linked ( https://www.404media.co/automattic-automatic-trademark-matt-... ) is behind a paywall. But reading https://www.searchenginejournal.com/automattic-disputes-use-... it sounds like the claim 'Automattic attempted to claim it owns the word “automatic"' might not be accurate.
notahacker 12 hours ago||
Yeah, regardless of other aspects of Automattic's behaviour, flagging that an identically-pronounced single letter variation of their registered company name might be a confusingly similar brand for a third party commercial service specifically designed to customise Automattic's product to adopt seems to be at the reasonable end of trademark disputes...
BeetleB 13 hours ago|||
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Crontab 11 hours ago|||
Hard disagree. 404 has been awesome since being founded.
baublet 12 hours ago|||
FUD. Don’t spread nonsense. They’re as rigorous as any other tech journo, you just have an axe to grind.
BeetleB 12 hours ago||
I don't see how this is FUD. Both a sibling comment and my parent pointed out that there's more to the story than simply "claiming the word automatic." They provided extra context (which the article didn't).

I am merely relating my experience that stuff like this is common with 404 Media. They'll omit nuances - whether intentionally or just being shoddy.

bewuethr 12 hours ago||
The article links to an entire separate article about automatic.css.
wmf 14 hours ago|||
That's how you can tell the article isn't giving you the full picture.
cheema33 7 hours ago||
"Windows", "Word" and "Excel" are just plain English words, but it appears you can trademark them for specific industry. Maybe you have to make it more specific. Like "Microsoft Windows"?
bellowsgulch 14 hours ago||
Good, get him the fuck away from Wordpress. Though frankly, a better solution might be for businesses to ask themselves whether or not they need Wordpress anymore.

In the mean time, if you're unable to derisk Mullenweg out of your business stack, this is a good first step.

SwellJoe 13 hours ago||
WordPress dominance of the web has certainly peaked, but history indicates there will be several years in which to continue to extract comfortable profits while riding it down. e.g. Oracle, a database that almost no business has actually needed in decades.
pathartl 9 hours ago||
I'm not convinced that sort of legacy lock in exists in the web space. It moves fast and its value is in the content. In the age of AI, migrating that data makes it trivial to move away from a risky platform. I cut my development teeth on WP and managed some fairly large sites. There are far more interesting and well developed alternatives out there.
SwellJoe 7 hours ago||
Sure, but, even with AI and the technical competence to steer it, it's still a pretty big lift to switch from, e.g. WordPress with billing and various other stuff to some ad hoc other thing. Even when I decided I was done with managing content in WordPress and moved it out to a Hugo static site for my company website, I still kept the commerce stuff in WordPress just because it works and we know it works from a decade or so of operation.

I'm certainly not deploying new WordPress sites, partly because of how weird and hostile Mullenweg has made the WordPress ecosystem for no good reason. I don't even necessarily disagree with the sentiments behind his words and actions, but the methods and how far it's gone in terms of lawfare is just silly and destructive.

Anyway, they won't get decades like Oracle has gotten. But, they've got a few years of comfy margins ahead if they don't blow it up too badly.

ValentineC 6 hours ago||
They'll continue to have plenty of existing passive revenue as long as WooCommerce users continue to use Stripe, and large enterprises continue to buy in to WP.com VIP.
Freak_NL 5 hours ago||
This rings true to me. I am looking at setting up my own online store, and if you sell (legal!) stuff which Shopify Payments disallows, but Stripe does allow, you end up looking at WooCommerce (a very popular WordPress plugin) pretty fast.
kmeisthax 13 hours ago||
The uptick in Webflow usage alone would suggest the damage has already been done.
kffkfkgj 5 hours ago||
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josefritzishere 13 hours ago||
The best line was buried at the bottom. Did Automattic really attempt to claim it owns the word “automatic?
Freak_NL 5 hours ago|
This is better explained elsewhere in this thread, but it boils down to a totally valid trademark dispute over a company calling itself Automatic.css which supplies services for WordPress installs.
doodlebugging 12 hours ago||
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nubinetwork 14 hours ago||
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0xDEADBEEFCAFE 13 hours ago|
Anyone could have forked WordPress at any time or spun up their own multi tenant instances if they were truly concerned, this just seems personal. It’s a bad day for founders IMO.
mission_dolores 12 hours ago||
it's personal only in the sense that Matt had been doing an absolutely awful job leading the company for several years, and the board had fiduciary obligations to intervene

this is not a bad day for founders; it's Matt having gotten to the end point of his value as a leader

Don't get me wrong: getting to a point where you have 2,000 employees and a 7 billion dollar valuation is a massive accomplishment. He was clearly very effective at various parts of the company's history. But it scaled beyond the point where his skillset and personality could continue to credibly steer the ship

minimaxir 13 hours ago||
The entire saga started due to WP Engine "forking" WordPress.
0xDEADBEEFCAFE 13 hours ago|||
So problem solved? My only criticism is that 1) Mr. Mullenweg should have held tighter controls over the IP and 2) the direction to the community that they are encouraged to use "WP" as a prefix for their business names and products was ultimately a bad one leading to this mess..
garbagepatch 7 hours ago|||
Matt, you shouldn't have picked a FLOSS license if you didn't intend for the software to be FLOSS in the first place.
nixosbestos 13 hours ago|||
Matt, ... just log out and take a break.
kmeisthax 13 hours ago|||
WP Engine's "forking" consisted of disabling the revisions feature by default.

As someone who's personally been bitten by this particular WP Engine misfeature, describing this as a "fork" is disingenuous at best. The average Linux distro ships way more out-of-tree changes than WP Engine ever did.

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