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Posted by dmitrybrant 8 hours ago

Show HN: What if the speed of light was 5 km/h?(rivendell.dmitrybrant.com)
I've always wanted to make a visualization where the speed of light was scaled down to human speeds, so that we could intuit relativistic effects with everyday objects. Here is the first version of it!
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pmontra 5 hours ago|
Too bad that it does not seem to work on mobile. I did not find any way to move around (add arrow buttons? Are we supposed to move around?) and if I double tap I change the direction in which I am looking but not very predictably. Maybe my phone is too slow.
lysium 5 hours ago|
There is a mobile version https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49638121
the-mitr 7 hours ago||
In the Three Body Problem Trilogy by Liu Cixin some of the more advanced civilisations have the ability to change the speed of light locally with very interesting consequences for the that local space
aaronbrethorst 7 hours ago||
I'm being vague to avoid spoilers, but I'll just say that it serves for a very interesting meditation on the concept of loss, and has stuck with me for the 5+ years since I read the trilogy.
er4hn 7 hours ago||
Same here, the quote on time passing stuck with me quite a bit.
divyekapoor 7 hours ago||
Pedantic note: The speed of light in glass, optical fiber and water is different from vacuum (much lower). On a certain scale, humanity also knows how to locally alter the speed of light though not to this extent.
walrus01 7 hours ago|||
It's not actually that the speed of light in a singlemode fiber optic cable is slower, but that the photons aren't travelling in a direct path down the fiber like water down a pipe. They're bouncing off the interior walls of it at like a 45 degree angle billions/trillions of times before it reaches the other end of the cable.

Basically imagine like if you wanted to walk in a straight line between two points at both ends of a empty, long, narrow rectangular warehouse, and instead of walking in a straight line from A to B, you bounced off each wall at an angle (like a pool ball ricocheting off the bumpers) to get from one end to the other. Making your cumulative distance travelled on foot much greater.

vlyan 5 hours ago|||
>the photons aren't travelling in a direct path down the fiber like water down a pipe. They're bouncing off the interior walls of it at like a 45 degree angle billions/trillions of times before it reaches the other end of the cable.

I know there are many other mundane technologies that can be described in sci-fi-ish way, but for some reason I'm particularly amazed by fiber transmitters being compact and cheap enough to be used in mass-produced killer drones.

walrus01 5 hours ago||
Not just that but your average russian or ukrainian used expendable munition UAV that uses a singlemode fiber spool uses the cheapest and most mundane of fiber transceivers. There's no requirement for data rates above 1 Gbps, so ordinary SFP optics (not SFP+ or anything) are used, and the distances involved means it works fine with a extended range 1550nm to 1610nm reach thing that can nominally handle 40 to 80 km of fiber.

When I say data rates are way below 1 Gbps, it's because commonly you've got two things going on, a UART serial bridge from operator to flight controller board (same idea as what is implemented in RF with ExpressLRS, TBS Crossfire or similar), this is at most a Mbps or two. Then a possible live video feed over IP which will be easily under 50 Mbps.

The only thing a little bit out of the ordinary about them is that they're often bidirectional single strand optics with the prism built in, and tx/rx on different wavelengths (like 1550 and 1570, or 1550 and 1610, or whatever). Basically same thing that somebody lighting a very low cost metro dark fiber circuit might do to use only 1 strand for a gigabit or 10 Gbps link.

sampullman 5 hours ago||
You can get a pretty good 1080p60 video at only 6mbps. Depends on how well the sender is encoding I guess, but it shouldn't be too much more than that.
tliltocatl 4 hours ago||
I think the drones don't use a complex encoder because latency.
walrus01 3 hours ago||
Some of the more basic ones are a very rudimentary NTSC analog video in to H264 encoder board that is tiny in weight and power consumption. They're using the same NTSC analog video-out forward flight cameras as are used in pure analog FPV. It's also not doing really 'complex' H264 encoding. Very similar to what you would get for the H264 encoder in a cheap $60 IP (RTSP) security camera.

There's more advanced ones that take video input from a MIPI digital video interface or native HDMI input.

Not just because latency but also because of cost, size, weight, power.

rootusrootus 6 hours ago||||
> They're bouncing off the interior walls of it at like a 45 degree angle billions/trillions of times before it reaches the other end of the cable

At the risk of exposing how little I remember from physics, doesn't light in a single mode fiber not bounce? (right about now I'm thinking that it's probably not great to think of photons bouncing because this is quantum level stuff, right? light is a wave, etc. gosh it's been a long time since I tried to really know any of this...)

walrus01 6 hours ago||
The bouncing is more a metaphor, the refraction of light bending at an angle is sort of like how if you as an exterior observer look at a person who is standing waist deep in a very calm and clear swimming pool, their legs appear to be at a different position than their torso. Now imagine that 'bending' repeating trillions of times.

https://www.aflhyperscale.com/articles/how-do-fiber-optics-w...

taneq 7 hours ago|||
Light’s still slower in glass than in a vacuum, though, or it wouldn’t refract at the transition between the two.
walrus01 7 hours ago||
Right, and it varies with what type of glass, google "refractive index of glass".

If you google image search "refraction fiber optics" you'll get some decent pictorial examples of what I meant by photons bouncing off the interior walls of a 9/125 SM fiber optic strand billions/trillions of times on its path, I guess I was trying to write an extremely simplified explanation of refraction in something like a typical SMF-28e / G.652.D fiber.

nearbuy 5 hours ago|||
You're conflating two very different meanings of "the speed of light". Confusingly, "speed of light" can refer to the universal constant, c, which does not change in glass, or to the speed that light travels in a medium. Here, we're talking about c. Relativistic effects are based only on c. The Three Body Problem trilogy plot device is also about c.
IvyMike 4 hours ago||
The book Redshift Rendezvous from 1990 explores this idea. (TBH the story is a little clunky, but if you like to see someone look at the physics in depth, it's pretty interesting.)

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/1382560.Redshift_Rend...

jcul 4 hours ago||
I'm reading the clockwork rocket at the moment. It's a little different but it's set in a universe where the laws of physics / behaviour of light seems to be different to our own.
nielsbot 4 hours ago||
similarly, Einstein's Dreams is a collection of very short stories that explore different flavors of time. For example: time slows as you near the city center - those who approach it end up frozen forever like the event horizon of a black hole.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein's_Dreams

tliltocatl 4 hours ago||
Fun fact: given that the meter is defined in terms of speed of light (and cesium frequency), "changing the speed of light" is a counterfactual impossibility, what is actually changing are some other fundamental constants.
sakjur 4 hours ago|
If we realized tomorrow we had the speed of light slightly wrong, we wouldn't change the length of a meter, we would change the definition of the meter. We've redefined the meter thrice already.
nico_bresson 2 hours ago||
Interesting experiment! What I missed (as a non-scientist) is a live explanation of what is happening while I'm navigating this virtual world and changing parameters. This would be a great way to learn!
bananaflag 8 hours ago||
Btw there is also this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Slower_Speed_of_Light

zrail 7 hours ago||
The first few Discworld books explore this a little bit too. I think pterry dropped the concept after that, I don't really remember it later in the series.
yreg 4 hours ago|
Darkness travels even faster than light on Discworld, because it has to be fast enough to get out of the way when light arrives.
linzhangrun 2 hours ago||
The speed of light, wave-particle duality, and so on, always make me feel that the universe also has a "computing power"
mjdv 2 hours ago|
Feature request: I'd like to ride the ferris wheel.
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