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Posted by danielmorozoff 2 days ago

An atlas of periodic solutions to the three-body problem(www.threebodyorbits.com)
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IshKebab 7 hours ago|
I assume this is at least partially vibe coded, but this is the first good vibe coded website I've seen. Amazing work.
nautilus12 8 hours ago||
Is this assumed to be 2D? I was going to ask if there are any observed examples of 3 body equilibrium observed in nature.
btilly 4 hours ago||
https://numericaltank.sjtu.edu.cn/three-body/three-body.htm shows that there are three dimensional solutions.

We have no observed examples in nature of three body equilibrium. But then again, all places we have looked are either influenced by the chaotic orbits around them of the Solar System, our surrounding galaxy, or nearby galaxies in a cluster.

There aren't a lot of orbiting three bodies without external gravitational influences disturbing them.

IAmBroom 1 hour ago||
> There aren't a lot of orbiting three bodies without external gravitational influences disturbing them.

This is of course a relative statement. Every object affects every other object, subject to the limitations of lightspeed propagation of gravity waves through expanding space.

But as you point out, we still haven't noticed any examples that are stable short-term.

btilly 40 minutes ago||
That depends on what you mean by stable short-term.

The Sun, Jupiter, and any small asteroid at L4 of L5 is, by itself, linearly stable. Meaning that any small perturbation will only grow linearly.

But, of course, this system interacts with Saturn. The arrangement of those three objects is still remarkably stable. But the interaction with Saturn makes for a chaotic system again.

raverbashing 8 hours ago||
Yes. Because 3 points are coplanar, so every "3D problem" with 3 objects can be turned into a 2D problem on the correspondent plane

(of course in real life your plane would keep changing, and probably some other complicated math I can't think right now)

petsfed 3 hours ago|||
Put another way, while their positions are one set of 3 points, their momenta are another set of 3 points, and there is no requirement that 6 points will always lay on the same plane.

I wonder what phantom forces would appear when the reference frame changes in some complicated fashion. We get centrifugal "force" when we reconstruct F=dP/dt in a rotating reference frame, what would the 3-body "force" look like?

raincole 7 hours ago||||
Why would the plane keep changing? If there are only these three objects, won't the vectors of their gravitational pull to each other all be on this plane too?
mr_mitm 6 hours ago|||
If you define the initial conditions such that their relative velocity is zero or parallel to the plane, yes. But that's not the case in general.
crisf 3 hours ago||||
Each orbit is a spinning top. You pull on a top from the side, it's spin axis precesses.
hammock 7 hours ago||||
It’s an arbitrary plane, chosen at each moment just so you can flatten it
raverbashing 7 hours ago|||
Not from an external point of view, as you might have a momentum component perpendicular to that plane

(but yes I think you might be right if we're centered on the CG)

twnettytwo 7 hours ago||
One of the necessary conditions here is that the three objects return to their exact initial position, and so does the centre of mass. Initial conditions with non-zero momentum must trivially be ruled out. But this doesn't stop them from having velocities perpendicular to the initial plane that cancel out perfectly, so this doesn't refute the assertion that the planes keep changing.
btilly 4 hours ago||
Sorry, but this is a word salad.

Most of the solutions always have non-zero momentum, including in the initial conditions. And https://numericaltank.sjtu.edu.cn/three-body/three-body.htm includes periodic solutions that move in all three dimensions.

twnettytwo 25 minutes ago|||
Oh sorry, yeah - I wasn't fully awake yet when I wrote it. As a sibling comment mentioned, I was talking about the total momentum. Anyway, it was in response to GP's assertion that GGP may be correct if "we're centered on the CG", which doesn't make sense because the CG can't move.
drdeca 2 hours ago|||
They presumably meant non-zero total momentum. If the total momentum were non-zero, then the center of mass will be moving in a straight line, and will not return to where it began, and therefore the orbit would not be periodic.
PaulHoule 1 hour ago|||
Big picture the center of mass momentum is concerned and it does not matter if the system as a whole is moving up or down or to the right or the left. Like the Earth is basically orbiting the sun in an ellipse [1] so far as the sun is concerned and from the viewpoint of the solar system not care so much that it is moving around the galaxy unless we are interested that orbit being perturbed by other stars that we pass near over millions and milions of years.

[1] ignoring the parameters of that ellipse changing slightly and slowly thanks to the other planets

btilly 1 hour ago|||
Oh. That makes sense. Yes. The total momentum has to be zero.

All of the things in the solution can constantly have momentum.

nautilus12 4 hours ago|||
Oh makes perfect sense, do you have thoughts about real life examples? I did some research using AI and it said there were examples of restricted 3 body problems like the trojan asteroids, but no examples in real life similar to what is in this web app
hanw040519 5 hours ago|
cool!