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Posted by juliantigler 12 hours ago

Make your first edit to OpenStreetMap(high5apps.github.io)
371 points | 84 commentspage 2
doctoboggan 11 hours ago|
I recently purchased some very rural land with a cabin that I put on AirBnB. The address is a different road than the driveway is and all the maps took drivers around 1 mile away with no way to find the actual driveway. I had to go through the process of fixing this on Google, Apple, and open street maps. OSM was by far the easiest and my updates propagated within minutes. Google was the second easiest but still took me deep into the “feedback” menu and then a week or two of waiting. Apple was by far the worst as I had to sign up for an Apple business account, upload incorporation docs, and then go through multiple rounds of back and forth with some approval agent.
mayneack 10 hours ago|
Another option for apple would have been to just wait for a few months. They are downstream of osm but updates are slow. Likely your "propagated within minutes" was misleading. Almost no app, certainly not a mainstream app your customers might use, is reading osm live. They're all days to months behind on periodic batch updates.
seb1204 8 hours ago||
Months behind is not fair. Apps like Komoot, OSMAnd or CoMaps have monthly refresh cycles. Others are shorter and yes there are longer (mostly obscure) update cycles such as apple maps, Uber, https://transportnsw.info/
mayneack 7 hours ago||
In my experience, the bigger the app, the longer the update cycle. They likely have a QA and integration process to deal with how osm combines with other sources. Something like osmand is basically just an osm wrapper, so they can be fast.
cantalopes 10 hours ago||
I was put off by co tributing to osm at first when someone brought up that 300mb java monster application at first actually. Luckily i found there's an online editor and did my first edits there. I would definitely not recommend josm for a newcommer
xigoi 6 hours ago|
I’d also recommend StreetComplete, which makes contributing to OSM as easy as playing Pokemon Go.
neilv 6 hours ago||
On iPhone, so far "Go Map!!" works well for my simple edits, which are things I notice while walking on the sidewalk.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Go_Map!!

(The double exclamation marks in the name drove me away initially, so I tried 3 others first, none of which worked well on the iPhone for my edits, but then "Go Map!!" seemed to just work.)

For edits that can be done from desktop, the OSM official Web site's editor was pretty good -- complicated, but seems to work, and has a nice interactive tutorial mode.

ricardobayes 11 hours ago||
How does OSM prevent trolling or vandalism? Since many (most) courier companies rely on OSM for their database a bad "joke" could prove very frustrating to many people.
mpol 11 hours ago||
Just like Wikipedia, people follow changes. If there is vandalism, it often gets reverted within a few hours. If there's a mistake (relation broken for example) it can take a few hours longer to fix.
speedgoose 10 hours ago|||
I once encountered a joke building that was so large, I remember in the magnitude of 500km2, that you couldn’t edit it in the web editor. You had to download a desktop application to delete it.

It was in a place of the world that is unlikely to be popular within the OSM community.

sellyme 7 hours ago||
Fortunately it's fairly easy to query the database for that kind of thing and a few editors periodically go through the most implausibly-sized common features, so anything too egregious will get noticed eventually.

The last time I saw a collection of "biggest objects" for various tags it was mostly things that were just subtly mistagged (e.g., an entire forest being tagged as a single tree) rather than vandalism.

maxerickson 11 hours ago||
The main method of prevention is blocks on users that make malicious edits. Obviously that doesn't prevent all malicious edits.

The larger users of the data are doing some degree of validation of changes before showing them to users.

KolmogorovComp 11 hours ago||
> Do NOT use search results for social media profiles

This seems a bit outdated as many restaurants/shops now consider they FB/insta page as their "official" website (or rather lack of).

juliantigler 11 hours ago||
For social media profiles, a different tag like contact:facebook, contact:instagram, etc. are recommended!

[1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/contact:facebook [2] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/contact:instagram

ssl-3 10 hours ago|||
I think the complaint is focused on the notion that the instructions tell a would-be contributor what is not OK, and then do not help them to figure out what is OK.

> Determine if any of the search results represent the official website for your place. Do NOT use search results for social media profiles, review sites, or other business aggregators. When in doubt, don’t use it.

This zero-option style of phrasing doesn't leave any room for interpretation.

KolmogorovComp 11 hours ago|||
Thanks, I feel the article should have said that
juliantigler 10 hours ago||
No problem- I'll clarify this in an edit later today. Thanks for the feedback!
Freak_NL 10 hours ago|||
It's a dumb thing to do too. If you have a website, you control what it says. For a shop or restaurant it's totally fine to just show a nice photo with your name, opening hours, address, and contact details, and just link to whatever social media accounts and reservation/delivery ordering platform you use.

It's also the place that will allow you to inform your patrons when big tech deletes your heavily invested in social media account for some reason.

Not having a normal website means that potential customers who search for you get hit by login-walls for Instagram and Facebook if they're not on it, or 'you need an app for this' with crap like TikTok. It also makes my (volunteer) job of mapping the area around me harder, because I'm most certainly not going to bother to enter any additional info about your business if I have to go to Instagram or Facebook (and in the OpenStreetMap community I'm not alone in that).

Gigachad 6 hours ago|||
My experience is most restaurant websites are either outdated, offline, or hacked and showing some malware page. While the social media page is up to date.

While all of then problems you list are real, small restaurant owners don’t have the time or skills to run a website, having a social media and listing on the maps apps is enough.

ryandrake 7 hours ago|||
I agree. If a business decided to only be on Facebook or Instagram, then they're choosing the path of hiding themselves from the open web. I wouldn't even bother to update their info on OSM.
boredpudding 11 hours ago||
There's separate tags for the social media profiles. So those can still be added.
fizwidget 5 hours ago||
I hope the author reconsiders recommending JOSM to beginners. iD, StreetComplete, MapComplete…almost anything except JOSM would have been a better starting point.
jkingsman 8 hours ago||
Contributing to OSM was super cool. I've had an issue where my home snaps to the nearest road, which is in fact fenced off from us, rather than the road that our cul de sac connects to (which was not well marked in OSM). Last week, I went in and in about ten minutes used the visual editor to paint in the driveway, read a quick wiki page on how to correctly label driveways, and then submitted it. I got a pleasant jump scare the next time I doordashed some food and saw the little driveway squiggles I added on the map in the doordash app, and then again for lyft -- such a cool feeling!

Would highly recommend the web editor -- what's proposed here looks super comprehensive but way more difficult to use for a first timer.

aaronbrethorst 11 hours ago||
Funny enough, Cafe Lolo, the business that the example edit demonstrates, replaced my favorite restaurant in Seattle, Cookweaver. The chef-owner of Cookweaver is now doing private events and in-home meals for folks who miss his cooking: https://www.cookweaver.com/omakase-menu
dakial1 4 hours ago||
So, I read the article, downloaded JOSM and start making edits on my neighborhood (including adding new poligons, buildings, etc).

Soon I thought "This would be easily done by an AI" and searched for it and found META's Rapid (https://rapideditor.org/) which does an ok job finding buildings, but really could go further and suggest the tags as well.

MRPockets 3 hours ago|
I am a long-time OSM contributor and I will just point out that much of the OSM mapping community have very strong opinions on automated/AI mapping. I mostly stay out of those discussions but be aware that automated edits will likely get reverted if you aren't very careful to follow the guidelines. No idea if Rapid enforces "proper" AI mapping or not.
yegle 10 hours ago|
One thing to note: OSM edits are associated with your account. Do not use your regular user name, or people can easily identify where you live since people tends to edit nearby locations.

If you accidentally did that, I believe there's a way for the admin to scrub that for you.

dvdkon 7 hours ago||
I'm not too concerned about my place of residence, since the state already publishes my full address online. But OSM edit history also shows the various places you visit, with timestamps too. I still haven't decided if I want to do something about that or not. It's certainly something new contributors should be aware of.
nradov 9 hours ago||
There are much easier ways to identify the approximate neighborhood where most people live.
seb1204 8 hours ago||
You can define a location of your choice in your profile for example.
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