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Posted by iamflimflam1 12 hours ago

Why is Google still serving dodgy ads?(www.atomic14.com)
720 points | 328 commentspage 5
didip 6 hours ago|
Spam/Scam filtering should have been the perfect place to show case SOTA AI. Why Google & Meta have not been able to do so?

Relatedly, DMCA should be expanded to harmful ads content.

torginus 12 hours ago||
Do platform holders have a say in this?

I'm sure if I submitted an app that on the iOS app store that mimicked a system warning that tried to scare people into giving me access, it would not pass the review process.

If instead I decided to embed a WebView and later changed the html to do the same I would likely get booted from the app store (afair Apple's very particular about serving remote content in PWAs, and changing said content, even under benign circumstances).

iOS seems to have less scareware and shady apps than Android anyways.

tough 10 hours ago|
the app store is filled with scammy apps, its just a different flavour

I once got a crypto-wallet PK leaked by a fake wallet app impersonating another very known brand. Found out on reddit it was a fake... After a few months the real app came out but yeah...

rhaff 11 hours ago||
My father installed an adware through one of the google ads. Just straight out of nowhere displays fullscreen ads whatever you're doing.
dotcoma 12 hours ago||
Because they are a dodgy company?
driverdan 10 hours ago||
Until they are held legally liable they will do the minimum necessary to keep the money flowing and avoid litigation.
kentonv 9 hours ago||
Here's another one for you. If you search for any popular book on Google Play Books, you get a whole bunch of fake knock-offs alongside the real book. Sometimes, it is nearly impossible to tell which one is real.

And they, apparently, won't do anything about it.

A couple months ago I went searching for the book "Regime Change" by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan, an NYT bestseller. The top search result at the time used the exact official cover art and author names, and was otherwise in every way indistinguishable from the real book.

I foolishly bought it and started reading. I quickly noticed that the text seemed like more of a mediocre college paper than a bestselling book. After a few pages I was like... wtf is this. Jumped to the end of the book and found an "Abort the author" section naming a fellow named Marcus Whitfield as the author.

I dutifully opened a ticket with Google suggesting that they should really remove this book. They refunded me, but told me they couldn't remove the book because their policy states that only the true copyright holder could request a take down, and I am not that.

WTF? I wasn't even claiming a copyright issue. I was claiming false advertising and fraud. I was claiming that Google Play's store was listing an obviously, maliciously fake book, selling it for real money, and that they should stop doing that. They take a 30% cut! How are they not doing even the most basic vetting of these listings? A human could trivially identify it as fake in 30 seconds and an AI even faster.

It appears that since then, the actual real book has risen to #1 in the search results (I think; it's hard to tell), and the exact listing that got me is gone, but there are still a whole lot of obvious fakes after it:

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=%22regime%20change%22...

And if you search for any other popular book, you get the same thing.

(Of course, no real publisher actually cares about Google Play Books, because nobody uses it, so nobody files takedown requests, presumably. Also presumably no engineers work on it, and that's why it's a wasteland. What I don't get is why haven't they shut it down?)

BLKNSLVR 6 hours ago|
> "Abort the author"

Shame that was untrue.

> What I don't get is why haven't they shut it down

Likely just because it's profitable enough. If nothing else, that seems to be the #1 guiding principle.

kentonv 5 hours ago||
Doh, too late to edit the typo.
BLKNSLVR 4 hours ago||
I actually thought that you were quoting from the book, as example of how it was not genuine. LOL.
BLKNSLVR 7 hours ago||
Based on prior FBI recommendations to use ad blockers to keep yourself safe from scams[0], it seems that the various methods of blocking/avoiding Youtube ads should also be recommended. Use as many of the tools as possible to escape the suck of the scam-hole that Google has made the Internet:

Firefox + uBlock Origin: https://ublockorigin.com/

Brave Browser

Invidious: https://invidious.io/

Revanced: https://revanced.app/

SkyTube: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/free.rm.skytube.oss/

Clipious (app client for Invidious instances): https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.github.lamarios.clipious...

I've said this before, elsewhere, with this kind of thing plus the LG / Smart TV surveillance, it feels as if we're living in the paperclip maximiser world, except it's "advertising" instead of paperclips.

[0]: https://www.securityweek.com/fbi-recommends-ad-blockers-cybe...

Edited to add: Remember when 'piracy funds terrorism' was a thing? Surely Google is providing material assistance in funding organised crime and / or terrorism in their reckless indifference to what they allow their platform to promote?

kazinator 10 hours ago||
Extension to Hanlon's: never attribute to stupidity what can be attributed to apathy and greed.
pampas 5 hours ago|
This. When it's a person the original quote applies. But big companies have millions of data points on everything and are competent in areas they care about like their own profit. So you can assume it's not ignorance. They don't care if a publisher has to spend loads of time resolving issues rogue ads and malvertising because it doesn't affect them and the end user just blames the publisher.
CM30 7 hours ago||
Frankly speaking, because no-one is forcing them to stop serving them.

That's the biggest 'trick' companies like Google have pulled here. They've somehow tricked the regulators into thinking that because they're big companies serving a lot of customers over the internet, that any sort of fraud or product liability laws are irrelevant to them.

Because any other company doing this would get sued into oblivion, shut down and the executives criminally charged. If a brick and mortar business let blatant scammers and criminals advertise in their physical stores, that would be seen as a serious crime.

Same with a retailer that sold dangerous or counterfeit products, or one that turned their stores into surveillance panopticons where customer data was collected illegally and sold to the highest bidder.

Google, Amazon, Meta etc are doing things that would get a normal business owner sent to prison.

The solution isn't just technical, it's about being willing to enforce the law for internet businesses the same way we do for offline ones. If Sundar Pichai and the board were looking at 10-20 years in prison for fraud or cyber offences, then Google would fix those dodgy ads real quick...

makeitdouble 7 hours ago|
> because they're big companies serving a lot of customers over the internet, that any sort of fraud or product liability laws are irrelevant to them.

Is it false ?

As much as we can lament the current state of affair, we must acknowledge everything that has been thrown at any of the bigger companies has resulted in slap on the wrists at most.

At this exact moment in the US money is straight power, in it's rawest form.

CM30 6 hours ago||
Well no and that's the problem. Many governments (especially the United States one) are complicit in this. They don't do nearly enough to keep corporate power in check.

If they really wanted to fix these issues, antitrust could be a real thing again, and companies like Google would be forcefully broken up and barred from remerging later down the line. If Google doesn't have Gmail, Chrome, Android or YouTube and all these things are separate businesses, then their power is severely curtailed.

They could also arrest CEOs, board members and other people with a large amount of power at these organisations and charge them for the actions of the business.

Or levvy percentage based fines that obliterate the company's ability to function. Could Google function if it was charged 50-60% of a year's worldwide revenue until an issue was fixed? It'd probably have to cut way back on everything in that scenario.

The issue is that the government has been so thoroughly captured by corporate interests that noone faces meaningful consequences if they earn more than a billion dollars a year.

mococa 9 hours ago|
Gezus… If you see my mother-in-law cellphone. It is impossible to use <period>. Full of ads crap that she probably installed by following ads… Remember IE toolbars?
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