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Posted by lukaspetersson 4 hours ago

Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously(andonlabs.com)
195 points | 214 commentspage 5
caycep 2 hours ago|
what, they're not going to name it Delamain?
ac29 4 hours ago||
Relevant article about Andon Market: https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/san-francisco-market-ai...
shagie 3 hours ago|
The Swedish cafe experiment: https://apnews.com/article/ai-artificial-intelligence-sweden...

> San Francisco-based startup Andon Labs has put an artificial intelligence agent nicknamed “Mona” in charge at the eponymous Andon Café in the Swedish capital. While human baristas still brew the coffee and serve the orders, the AI agent — powered by Google’s Gemini — oversees almost every other aspect of the business, from hiring staff to managing inventory.

https://andonlabs.com/blog/ai-cafe-stockholm ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48028289 48 points, 51 comments)

https://andonlabs.com/blog/why-gemini-lost-money-andon-cafe

tinyhouse 2 hours ago||
"Any company" is a big claim to make. We're years ahead of something like this becoming a reality. At that point not sure most companies will survive cause most things will be free.
micromacrofoot 2 hours ago||
Wonder if they considered "peon" before "pion"
lukaspetersson 2 hours ago|
We didn't
ricksunny 2 hours ago||
Interesting name for an AI company. Isn’t the andon cord the thing that anyone in a 6-sigma manufacturing line can pull to halt it until a concern can be addressed?
acedTrex 3 hours ago||
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switchbak 3 hours ago|
When every get-rich-quick gonzo has exactly ZERO barrier to spamming the world with their terrible ideas, we're in for a particularly bad time.

Ie: this f**in guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRGLToHAtgc

einpoklum 2 hours ago||
Perhaps they can have their agent run their LLM lab autonomously and post slop to HN autonomously.

Or - maybe they already have?

Sivart13 4 hours ago||
I wish we could go just one day without a company proudly engaging in Torment Nexus related activities.
cyanydeez 4 hours ago||
it's interesting how the torment nexus is starting large, and boiling the most people with the "most comfortable" lives. I wonder how long the white collar workers will keep bending over to keep their lives safet, particularly when they're building the Torment Nexus to specifically torment them.

You'd think Meta's "we're going to spy on you for the good of the country" policy would have set them a bit on fire.

lukaspetersson 4 hours ago||
We think this is good for the world. Longer argument in the post.
apsurd 4 hours ago|||
maybe ill read the article, but i mean you’re financially motivated to think its good for the world arent you?

humans are excellent at justification.

mcmcmc 4 hours ago||||
You literally talk about committing a crime and blame it on a model
themgt 3 hours ago||||
We want the general public, AI researchers and policymakers to know to what extent AIs can autonomously acquire resources by running businesses. It is an important datapoint when deciding where we do/don’t want AI in society and what level of progress we find acceptable. To better track this, we need to cast a wider net of businesses.

We expect that most users will never pay for tokens on Pion; instead we will take a small share of the revenue the agent helps create.

So the longer argument is that it's good for the world to see how much revenue Pion can manage, and also your pricing plan is take [unspecified] % of revenue.

0gs 3 hours ago||||
did you link to the wrong page? because i read this one: https://andonlabs.com/blog/why-we-built-pion and it's just a bunch of the usual slop about how awesome your automated human-exploitation system is.
switchbak 3 hours ago||
"By late 2025, frontier models had gotten good enough that running a real-life vending machine was no longer a challenge" ... is this satire? Isn't it kind of hard to lose money running a vending machine in a good location?
cryptonector 3 hours ago|||
yawn
ValueTheory 4 hours ago|
What is the point of this? It details a bunch of failed real-world experiments and invites the reader to run their own real-world experiment with their own money?

If you too, want to waste thousands of dollars having an LLM "run" a business, Pion might be for you.

DenisM 4 hours ago|
I like to think the real world lessons in failures are valuable.

If I have this idea one day I will search for it and then think “how am I different fro that which already failed?”.

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