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Posted by arnemunthekaas 20 hours ago

Show HN: An e-ink frame that hears birds and draws them as 1800s illustrations(github.com)
See also: Avian Visitors - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48343424 - May 2026 (20 comments)
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MiloLeo 18 hours ago|
This is such a cool project. My mom would absolutely love this if I made it as a gift. This may be a good project.
tencentshill 17 hours ago||
Another dev offers it as a full product. OOS at the moment though.

https://theodore.net/store/avian-visitors/

InexSquirrel 8 hours ago|||
Was thinking this too. My parents are both avid birders, and I think it would make a fun addition to the house.
jonplackett 17 hours ago||
I was thinking the exact same thing!
jiwidi 20 hours ago||
Isnt this a fork* of https://x.com/WarnerTeddy/status/2060018688645115964?

https://github.com/Twarner491/AvianVisitors

https://theodore.net/projects/AvianVisitors/

Or maybe im missing to see is the same author? It went viral a few months ago

wccrawford 19 hours ago||
The new one appears to use real art from real humans, instead of AI art that was fixed.

And just because 2 things do the same job doesn't make one a "copy" of the other.

jiwidi 19 hours ago|||
My mistake for calling it "copy", should have said fork maybe (?)

They are awful close to still require a reference to the original project imo. They are achieving the same output (identify birds and display them in a frame display all hosted in a raspberry pi) with that twist to how to generate the art.

arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago||
Author here: I'll take any feedback and critisism. I haven't based any of my work directly on his project, but will be referencing it as a similar one in the readme, as well as e.g. https://github.com/veteranbv/inky-bird-frame.
p1anecrazy 16 hours ago||
Please take my praise as well then :) what a wholesome project!
jdiff 19 hours ago|||
What is "the new one"? The old one used AI, and this one seems to as well.
arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago|||
Author here: It doesn't, well at least not art-wise. All sources are attributed in https://github.com/arnegiacomo/fugleramme/blob/main/assets/a... and https://github.com/arnegiacomo/fugleramme/blob/main/assets/a...
coinfused 15 hours ago||
This is much appreciated! Thanks for making this decision
stetrain 18 hours ago|||
From the link: "Half the point of this project is showing off some amazing public-domain natural-history illustrations. Over 800 cut-outs covering more than 400 species, every one taken from a real plate and hand-curated for this project (no art is AI-generated, though some has been retouched with AI)."
xgulfie 13 hours ago||
Idk what "retouched with AI" means. Does it mean they used a segmentation model to cut out the shapes, or were they shoved through an imagegen and completely recreated?
carb 20 hours ago|||
I agree I would expect a reference. Another difference between this an AvianVisitors is the image sources. AvianVisitors is all AI generated with a consistent prompt, but OP's is using chiefly public domain images with retouching by AI as needed.
jiwidi 19 hours ago||
Yeah agree

I understand OP is continuing the work and improving it as he sees fit, but that in my mind is a fork and should aknowledge the initial work that sparked it.

Maybe i'm wrong tho and this is completely parallel work! Waiting for OPs reply

arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago|||
Hi, yeah I'm not basing any of my coding or feature-work on that project. My biggest source of inspiration is actually just a paper poster I have hanging on my wall https://www.axelthorenfeldt.com/news/wwf-verdens-naturfonds-.... I wanted to make a version of that, showing the actual birds in my garden.
delichon 19 hours ago||
I accuse you of having good taste.
martin- 18 hours ago|||
A fork implies that it builds upon code from another repository. I wouldn't use the word fork to mean "inspired by". I think it takes away from the effort that the author has put in. Anyone can create a fork of a project with the click of a button.
bradly 19 hours ago|||
Fwiw an eink display is fairly common tech in the birdiverse. I also have a project that is the same thing.
dang 13 hours ago|||
Thanks! That one was discussed a few months ago:

Avian Visitors - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48343424 - May 2026 (20 comments)

I've put a link to the earlier project in the toptext above.

DavCreator 19 hours ago|||
https://xxcancel.com/WarnerTeddy/status/2060018688645115964
tencentshill 20 hours ago|||
This one seems to be more North European focused
jiwidi 20 hours ago||
Its awful close with no attribution or mention of the original project, which should be the minimum i feel like.
arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago|||
Original author here. Fair point, this project was one of my inspirations, but I chose to take a different approach. This uses public domain natural history art and builds on top of BirdNET-Go which is a popular way of self-hosting bird-detections. (This is really a BirdNET-Go companion, as it cannot run without).

I've seen other similar projects pop up like https://github.com/veteranbv/inky-bird-frame and https://github.com/adamoberley/HABirdDashboard/tree/HABirdDa..., each with their own spin.

jiwidi 19 hours ago||
That's fair, and I totally get wanting to give it your own spin.

I still think it would be good to acknowledge the original project that sparked the idea, especially now that you've mentioned it was one of the inspirations.

Definitely keep going with yours and evolve it further. That's how good projects grow. But for a healthy open source community, I think we should make a point of crediting the people whose work inspires us. Otherwise, over time, it can discourage people from sharing their projects publicly in the first place.

arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago|||
Thanks, I’ll do that, and ofc link to this beautiful poster I have that actually originally sparked the idea: https://www.axelthorenfeldt.com/news/wwf-verdens-naturfonds-...
hnbad 18 hours ago||
Contrary to the Great Man version of how we mostly talk about history, scientific discoveries, technological breakthroughs and such have historically often occurred multiple times in multiple places often in close proximity time-wise but otherwise completely unrelated to each other. This of course makes sense if you consider that history seems to be primarily driven by material conditions (e.g. steam engines were known to Ancient Greece but their usefulness for industry simply hadn't occurred to them because they lacked the prerequisites to make them useful and neither economic efficiency nor access to cheap labor were significant enough concerns - plus there was no patent system of course).

I'll leave it up to you to decide whether one should expect the demographic of this website to be especially invested in the Great Man narrative but trying to convince them that two people can independently have similar-sounding ideas involving similar-but-different technology is probably an uphill battle. Just be glad you're not composing music for a living because there's literally an entire industry built around the idea that it's impossible for two people to come up with similar melodies without knowingly or unknowingly copying eachother and that it's very important that one of them (or rather the company they had to sign a deal with in order to make any money off their music at all) 100% owns that exact melody and should be paid by anyone who wants to use it.

Next time you have an idea you should just file a patent tbh - the insistence on prior art invalidating the work seems to be quite similar but at least if you're granted a patent you can shake down "copycats" for money.

dotancohen 13 hours ago||

  > Contrary to the Great Man version of how we mostly talk about history, scientific discoveries, technological breakthroughs and such have historically often occurred multiple times in multiple places often in close proximity time-wise but otherwise completely unrelated to each other.
My favourite example of this is calculus, followed closely by heavier-than-air flight.
cyphar 4 hours ago|||
I think there is ample evidence that the Wright brothers were (unlike many other inventors) uniquely suited to solving the problem of heavier-than-air flight, as they solved several open problems that nobody was making progress on (the main ones being control authority, propeller designs, the scientific basis for wing designs, and the ability to test designs and practice without dying) -- they even discovered and solved previously-unknown problems (such as adverse yaw, something their contemporaries should've independently discovered if they were on the right track).

A full rundown would be too long but [1] is a pretty good video going through the history of flight and how most of the other candidates for "first flyers" people bring up don't count and how it's difficult to argue that any of their contemporaries were even close to the Wrights.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkpQAGQiv4Q

arnemunthekaas 18 hours ago|||
Added, see README. Thanks for the feedback!
KaiserPro 19 hours ago|||
true, but we are assuming that the author is aware of the other repo
simonjgreen 12 hours ago||
I've been leveraging Birdnet-2.4 as well, but also ultrasonic-pass and activity-v1 to do broader detection with an ecological targeted microphone. This means I can capture not just bird sounds but also bats and some insects, and acoustic events such as jets and cars.

Applying heterodyne transformations to the bat recordings makes them audible which is fascinating, especially when you catch them in a feeding frenzy.

Similar intent with an indoor display, although nowhere near as beautiful as OPs eink display here. I'm more aiming for a real-time ticker, but this design is wonderful. I'm quite inspired by it!

I've been working on this in the background for a few months, if anyone is interested repo with screenshots is here: https://github.com/simonjgreen/OpenObservatory

blacklion 10 hours ago||
Do you use AudioMoth embedded mic?
simonjgreen 4 hours ago||
That’s the one, in their outdoor casing
swaraj 11 hours ago||
>I've been leveraging Birdnet-2.4 as well,

I love HN

eointierney 10 hours ago||
Yep, when it's humans nerding it's awesome
learner_yearner 1 hour ago||
Wow! Every human mind is wonderful in its own way. It can come up with ideas that other minds can't even comprehend.
kris-memoket 1 hour ago||
Really interesting!! Awesome work
mandycult 17 hours ago||
This is the sweetest thing I've seen in a long time :')
poutrathor 18 hours ago||
My granny is almost deaf and I will test the idea for her, for she loves birds
lateatdesk 12 hours ago|
If you try it with her, I'd love to hear what she makes of it.
staub 8 hours ago||
Any easy way to get started on your own version of this without needing a mic would be to pull birds seen nearby using the eBird API and pairing scientific names. Won't be as accurate as a backyard mic, but will give you a direction to start.

Also if you have old e-ink device laying around, you can likely setup BYOD with TRMNL (or just buy one https://trmnl.com/) and send the bird images as a private plugin

throooooo 7 hours ago|
The e-ink screens linked by OP are much more interesting from a color reproduction standpoint. TRMNL devices are either grayscale or 2 colors.
fnands 19 hours ago||
Very cool!

I wish E-ink displays were a bit more affordable. The 13 inch one is £229.50. Does anyone know why they are still so expensive, at least at large sizes?

pjerem 19 hours ago||
You have to distinguish the fake color e-ink that are used in mass consumer products which are actually black&white e-ink plus an LCD layer and are expensive, and the real color e-ink where each micro capsule embeds 3 to 5 different inks of different colors.

The latest are pretty complex devices, very slow to refresh (hence why they are not used in your e-reader) and also very expensive. But the rendering is way much nicer because it’s real ink that is used to render the colors.

blacklion 10 hours ago||
They are used in book readers. Amazon Kindle Colorsoft, for example. Or I have android phone with such screen (though, not latest generation).

Rather opposite: I never seen consumer products with two-layer displays.

pjerem 1 hour ago||
Nope, that's my point, on your kindle, the screen is a Kaleido 3, which is a black&white+lcd layer: https://www.reddit.com/r/eink/comments/1i8e26x/seriously_how...

Vs Spectra (the expensive screen): https://www.eink.com/upload/2023_11_14/3_20231114082849vy2as...

whiskers 19 hours ago|||
This project will work with a 7.3" display just as well - they are £79.50! https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/inky-impression?variant=5...

Disclaimer: I am the CEO of Pimoroni :-)

koryk 9 hours ago|||
I love the inky impression!

I am using my 13 inch inky display for my own birdnet - I also posted this in another thread last week https://i.imgur.com/5XbM6bb.png

I also bought 3 more 4 inch ones. Here is the first deployment next to the fish tank - https://i.imgur.com/nj8nKrS.png - I like this because I can stuff an rtl sdr in that box too, so it picks up nearby radio sensors in addition to BT. Real nice project screen!

I usually only refresh the image on the screen every few hours. I love how the image stays even with no power.

fnands 19 hours ago||||
Yeah, the 4 and 7.3" prices are not bad, the jump to 13 is just large. That being said, the cost per area goes down, so it is also probably fair.
tencentshill 16 hours ago|||
For a product that is made for creators and DIY, AI generated imagery on the product photos doesn't feel right.
shellfishgene 16 hours ago|||
You can sometimes find old Nooks for cheap and they can be rooted to display static images, but it's not elegant.
eckelhesten 19 hours ago||
Patents and greed in a combination.
darvo31 18 hours ago|
Love the aesthetic of 1800s illustrations combined with modern tech. Wonder if it ever misidentifies a squirrel.
eichin 16 hours ago|
I haven't tried with BirdNet, but Merlin doesn't seem to ever false-positive on chipmunks or squirrels (there's been a suggestion that it should explicitly recognize them, and maybe some frogs too, since they're "loud thing in the same register" and it frustrates people that haven't figured it out yet...)
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