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Posted by my123 2 days ago

Fujitsu launches made-in-Japan next-generation CPU FUJITSU-MONAKA(global.fujitsu)
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10729287 20 hours ago|
The two made-in-Japan, premium grade, Fujitsu laptops I had to work with were by far the worse pieces of electronic I have ever used. Both exhibited identical defects: fans running continuously at maximum speed, and the batteries would completely die within hours of the devices being powered off. Windows or Linux. And don't talk about that tiny unresponsive trackpad to me. Never again.
dijit 20 hours ago||
The Fujitsu Lifebooks were legendary for their robustness back in the day, I'm genuinely sad you had that experience.

The only fujitsu laptops I used was back in 2011- it was a budget version for on-call and it was fine..

Sounds like the fans running 100% probably contributed significantly to the issue here. If I had to guess it was likely that the C-States were disabled in BIOS somehow so the CPU clock was running at full tilt the whole time, maybe combined with a bad thermal paste job.

I'm not here to defend Fujitsu but I've had really bad experiences with basically every major laptop brand (Dell: majorly bad coil whine and especially faulty soldered RAM, HP: keys vanishing from the keyboard and very weak hinges that break all the time, Apple: The GPU unsoldering itself and the butterfly keyboard shenanigans).

I don't really know any brand with a flawless track record sadly.

Before anyone brings up Thinkpads, they're trading on a reputation that hasn't been true for over a decade. If you have fond memories of a thinkpad it's most likely that you had it from before 2016, or it's "fine", but certainly not great.

nhubbard 19 hours ago||
I do recall that Fujitsu had a very... unique approach to exposing the Setup option in their firmware. It was just a UEFI boot entry. If that entry was removed, you couldn't get back into the firmware setup; you had to find the name of the setup EFI file and then run that from the EFI console.
dwroberts 20 hours ago|||
Their consumer electronics arm is completely unrelated and also majority owned by Lenovo
criddell 19 hours ago||
I was about to say if they hadn't said it was a Fujitsu laptop I would have guessed it was a ThinkPad. Describes my experience with a P1 exactly.
numpad0 12 hours ago|||
Someone high up at Fujitsu is obsessed with making excessively miniaturized laptops. I once had an online fight on whether it's safe to run laptops closed, and realized that only Fujitsu manuals explicitly states that the machine uses keyboard top surfaces as a heatsink and running closed for extended periods is neither safe nor covered by warranty. IIRC Panasonic ones did say similar, but mostly towards noting that it ain't a server. Theirs were also one of the few that didn't seem to have been tested for Jack Bauer subset of MIL-STD-810 criteria, like thrown into a black SUV and flown somewhere in Middle East on a C-5 then C-130 then UH-60 and all the way back to the local soccer field.
WillAdams 19 hours ago|||
Reaching further back, the Sylistic line was mostly quite good/durable, and I still use my Stylstic ST-4110 when I need to use an old scanner or control a CNC machine on my back deck when cutting tropical hardwoods.

Really miss the transflective display and wish that there were newer devices with such technology

_trampeltier 18 hours ago|||
I just have Fujitsu Lifebooks at Home since 2007. I think they are good, came with a bloat free Windows. I bought even one for my Mom over 10 years ago. I just changed once the HDD with a SSD. Now all my Lifebook run with Linux just flawless.
anonzzzies 18 hours ago||
What year? The ones I had were the best. Very expensive, but service at the office & at home, very sturdy, very long battery life. That was somewhere early 2000s.
10729287 17 hours ago||
2012 and 2017 Celsius H. Very expensive and both maxed up but those fans always running even with limited usage made them the worse to use.
qsbuilder 18 hours ago||
If they can’t build real enterprise sales and software support outside Japan, it’s just another cool Arm chip no one can actually buy
sandreas 18 hours ago||
I'm kind of a Fujitsu fanboy. Since i came across the fact that a pretty modern xeon ecc ram nvme Workstation boards can be optimized to only draw ~10 Watt idle is just impressive, that is less than a gaming router. Even older ones like D3417-B12 were crazy effizient.

I also liked their Primergy Servers, but never got one for a reasonable price to test it out.

Another thing was the Futro series (e.g. S930) that could be used as opnsense firewall or low budget proxmox host.

Unfortunately it was always hard to obtain the high quality stuff as a consumer and years ago they sold their mainboard section to kontron. So no new Fujitsu Mainboards for now... What a pity.

zackmorris 19 hours ago||
I've been calling for high-multicore CPUs (at least 100 cores) with local memories for a quarter century now. No winners so far.

A Pentium 4 hit 3.8 GHz longer than that ago in 2004, so that's not special. And the estimated price will be $7,000-10,000, which isn't special either since that's about 10x more than it should be.

Hot take: GPUs disrupted the CPU industry to such a degree that CPUs never recovered, and like the k-shaped economy, the current status quo only serves a small fraction of customers. We can and should do better, but sadly we won't. Still, it's good that Fujitsu did this, for the competition if nothing else.

pjmlp 19 hours ago|
Unless they are used for multi-processing in classical UNIX fashion, or proper microkernels, most applications will hardly take advantage of them.

Managed languages runtimes are probably the ones that would be better equipped to take advantage of them, for distributed JIT, GC and asynchronous code.

The Connection Machine style with StarLisp.

Very few devs can write optimal multi-threaded code that explores the single digit count of cores on their laptops or phones already.

senderista 17 hours ago||
IMO we are still far from discovering a truly usable concurrency paradigm (if one even exists).
pjmlp 17 hours ago||
Maybe if designing software like digital circuits, which are more parallel in execution.

However one could argue that FPGAs are already that, and still we come back to a skill issue.

I am also not an expert, cannot make heads or tails about SIMD algorithms, and in what GPUs goes, only traditional shading languages.

Let alone algorithms that on top of that, should take optimal advantage of all available CPUs.

zackmorris 14 hours ago||
Ya functional programming is key, as it's equivalent to a spreadsheet or digital circuit. In other words, it removes the element of time and often dynamic state, which imperative programming generally fails to do.

IMHO most concurrency problems don't actually need async behavior, they need higher-order methods and models which behave deterministically by encapsulating async behavior internally.

Another maturing solution is to use SAT solvers to prove that all exceptional behavior and failure modes are handled. I'm hopeful that AI will help with that and allow us to exercise programs fully, rather than rely on unit tests and fuzzing.

Personally I think that the UNIX model of orchestrating small async programs that do one thing well is the only proven mainstream solution. Erlang and Go come really close, but unfortunately we need a hybrid of the two, which doesn't currently exist. The pattern for that is functional core, imperative shell. Which mimics the real world where business logic can be formerly proven correct or constrained by types and categories, then we wire up programs cookie cutter style. That avoids the use of monads (promises/futures in imperative languages), which are the main footguns. The closest language that does that is ClojureScript, whose runtime is analogous to suspending and resuming a coroutine or green thread that makes Lisp calls (although that's a poor fit and I'm sure I'm wrong about it).

But you're right that we don't currently have a language that can recruit multicore CPUs. I used MATLAB/GNU Octave in the past, but think that Julia probably has a brighter future since it can already run on GPU mostly unmodified. I would not try to do it with a mainstream language like C# or Python, or even PHP for that matter. Although some of PHP's multiprocessing metaphors are pretty solid, since they intentionally use processes instead of threads like in Ruby. There the problem is latency introduced by poor process models used by Microsoft and Apple, not something fundamental with spawning processes. Real-time Linux attempts to unify the kernel under one process model to provide deterministic timing, which is hard enough for regular Linux and probably out of reach of the big OS companies, because money can't buy everything.

pjmlp 14 hours ago||
Chapel tries to do a bit that language, however it looks they only care about HPC workloads, that are not everyday programming anyway.

Very nice overview, also agree with the points that you presented.

kittikitti 20 hours ago||
I think what's most notable about this for me is the reduced environmental impact. The specifications list liquid-cooling as optional and it highlights the CPU as the main processor instead of a power hungry GPU. My takeaway is that the next generation of AI HPC's will focus more heavily on sustainable operations.
sherujgr 20 hours ago||
Iam very curious as to how well it'll perform outside of Asia.
mrweasel 19 hours ago||
Performance would probably be the same regardless of where you run the CPU.
esafak 20 hours ago||
And if they'll sell it, seeing as they market it as 'sovereign AI'.
jzer0cool 16 hours ago||
Anyone have idea the likely cost range?
einpoklum 11 hours ago||
> The FUJITSU-MONAKA CPU integrates Fujitsu's extensive expertise in processor ... development

Does Fujitsu have extensive expertise in processor development? I don't remember any notable Fujitsu processors.

Although, as irusensei notes, this seems to be an ARMv9 processor.

tonyhart7 14 hours ago|
Japan technology is back ????
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