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Posted by imwally 1 day ago

Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography(security.apple.com)
514 points | 343 commentspage 4
keiferski 1 day ago|
Hey I predicted this awhile ago. Although it is kind of an obvious solution so I can’t claim much insight hehe.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44135416

jeroenhd 1 day ago|
By the time you made your comment, such a system had already been invented, even partially rolled out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Credentials

Apple's protocol differs in that it requires a timestamping server to sign the file and centralising Apple as the single arbiter of truth. An excellent addition, if you trust Apple and the governments they're friendly with (I don't, especially the latter part).

keiferski 1 day ago||
Oh yeah I’m sure it was already a thing. Just cool to see that it’s become more mainstream.
int32_64 22 hours ago||
I would also like the reference image from the sensor instead of the blown out HDR monstrosity Apple removed the ability to turn off after the iPhone 12.
deltoidmaximus 18 hours ago||
This is another interesting point. iPhone's do a bunch of post processing to improve image quality. What exactly are we signing as real and not AI manipulated here? How much image processing is allowed before it isn't verified? (do panoramic stitched photos count?)
heddhunter 15 hours ago||
There are myriad 3rd party camera apps that will give you RAWs straight off the sensor. Apple also has its "ProRAW" format which is a nice middle ground.
gcanyon 18 hours ago||
We need this for video and audio, with metadata baked in. “I didn’t say that.” “This recording says you did.”
dsalzman 19 hours ago||
Reality verification is a very important problem and I'm glad Apple and others are working on it.
codetiger 1 day ago||
Am wondering why no one is talking about traceability of Photos. Ex: CSAM which Apple was fighting for a long time. I thought this feature was the answer to provide proof of who shot the picture.
rickdeckard 1 day ago||
According to the description in the article, "an outside observer cannot determine whether any pair of reference images were taken by the same device." and they "avoid even implicit public association between different photos taken by the same sensor"

Whatever that means in detail...

bawolff 1 day ago|||
I dont think this is relavent to that use case. It seems like this proposal would be an optional off by default feature. They also seem to be going to lengths to make it privacy first so the verified photos cannot be linked to a specific photographer.
Gigachad 1 day ago|||
Nothing stops you not verifying, or simply stripping the verification off.

What you are prevented from doing is adding a verification to a photo outside of the iOS image pipeline, or modifying the photo with the verification still in tact.

codetiger 1 day ago||
Or have I understood the feature's capability completely wrong?
VortexLain 1 day ago||
I already can see this to be used in an effort to force everyone to use smartphones with proprietary corporate spyware.
tantalor 1 day ago||
1. Generate fake photo

2. Take a photo of it with iPhone

3. Apple's fancy reference image thing now says "omg it's real you guys"

gmueckl 1 day ago||
Apple has to allownpost-manufacruring exchanges of camera due ton right of repair legislation. This requires them to publish pairing tools that are to be used during the repair process to update all the cryptographic vérification chains in the device.

Now the camera module is supposed to generate a key pair internationally and send the public key over the bus. This looks like it is interceptable at repair time and a man in the middle can insert a different public key that they generated externally. Is there a way to stop this?

WalterGR 1 day ago||
85 comments, 5 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49649222
dom96 23 hours ago|
How is this different to Content Credential and why isn’t Apple implementing that?
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