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Posted by mhb 1 day ago

Wax motor(en.wikipedia.org)
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limaoscarjuliet 12 hours ago|
Wikipedia page has a small error. It shows an actuator (i.e. wax motor) described as thermostatic radiator valve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wax_motor#/media/File:Thermisc...

These are two separate things: thermostat will close and open based on surrounding temp., the actuator on the other hand opens and closes based on energizing a heating element that is driven by a separate thermostat.

Wax motors are pretty cool things. They rarely fail and do their job even in damp environments. I take care of my better half's hotel with approx 100 of these installed and we replace one of these once every couple of years.

ta988 11 hours ago||
As you seem to know how to explain that would you mind fixing it? You don't even need an account.
aaron695 32 minutes ago||
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echoangle 10 hours ago|||
Wouldn't the thermostatic radiator valves contain a wax motor? According to the definition in the article, using ambient heat as the energy source counts. Or are you saying it's only a wax motor if there's electric heating?
jaggederest 5 hours ago|||
My understanding is that wax motors are based on actuation - they are intentionally and deliberately either heated to extend or cooled to retract, and if ambient temperature is used as one endpoint, the other will not be ambient (i.e. a heating element or cooling peltier).

Thermostatic valves are ambient at both sides - they expand and contract naturally with the existing temperature, so they are not motors per se, because there's no actuation beyond the temperature.

VygmraMGVl 4 hours ago||
Why does there need to be a thermal gradient? It seems like the action driving the actuator is the expansion of the wax due to temperature. You don't need a persistent heat flux to get that, the wax just needs enough heat warm up and change phase.

Edit: also, the actuation from the wax motor only happens while it is absorbing (or losing) heat, even if it later ends up in a steady state with no heat flux.

jaggederest 3 hours ago||
There needs to be a gradient or the wax won't move due to temperature. The motion is the change in state, as you say, but it won't change state if you don't heat or cool it.

That's why it's a motor, like in dishwashers, not a thermostat like in e.g. greenhouse windows or radiators.

It doesn't need to be persistent, but without some way to create a state that is different than ambient, it's not a motor.

weltensturm 37 minutes ago||
The wax expands due to ambient (even uniform) temperature. It's a linear actuator, so warm -> expanded and cool -> retracted.
croemer 7 hours ago|||
I'm not sure I get what you mean.

There are commercial thermostats where the wax element itself is both the temperature sensor and the actuator, eg Thera-100 T1002W0.

agumonkey 11 hours ago|||
I was quite amazed to find these when dismantling appliances.
limaoscarjuliet 11 hours ago||
Me too, took me some time to figure out what this thing does :-)
pinklimetea 8 hours ago|||
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pak9rabid 11 hours ago||
Boy I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder!
palmotea 12 hours ago||
If you want to see one in action, I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sApyrDEXGAI
7373737373 10 hours ago||
Here is a timelapse of one opening a greenhouse window as it gets warm: https://youtube.com/watch?v=S-55VBYbbdo
FriedPickles 9 hours ago||
How does this deal with rain?
Retr0id 7 hours ago||
Plants tend to enjoy rain
lemarchr 11 hours ago|||
It was so refreshing to see a video with a clear and direct title. In 2026 this would have been "We cracked open a motor. You won't believe what we found inside! <emoji>". Checking the channel, it seems they have succumbed to this for their latest videos.
93po 9 hours ago||
skipping 4 minutes of talking first: https://youtu.be/sApyrDEXGAI?t=249
cbdumas 13 hours ago||
I'm surprised this page doesn't mention the automotive thermostat which uses the same principle to control the flow of coolant between the engine block and radiator in an ICE vehicle.
alnwlsn 12 hours ago||
Seems as though it's been filed under a different page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wax_thermostatic_element

jammaloo 12 hours ago||
Perhaps you would consider adding that information? That's would be an interesting addition!
Terr_ 12 hours ago||
The "See Also" has "Wax thermostatic element" [0] which seems focused on automotive applications, so perhaps it was there and grew large-enough that it got split off.

> Its principal application is in automotive thermostats used in the engine cooling system.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wax_thermostatic_element

bonkabonka 12 hours ago||
Big Clive took one to bits some years back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPuvhnIoz2g
LeoPanthera 12 hours ago||
What a treasure Big Clive is. Educational, entertaining, and zero of those YouTube cliches and clickbait that everyone hates. I don't think he's ever said "Like and subscribe" literally ever.
EA-3167 4 hours ago||
That’s exactly what I needed to see, thank you!
kazinator 12 hours ago||
The expansion of paraffin wax is substantial. I have experience wax potting guitar pickups as well as bicycle chains. I use a skinny, tall tin can for this, placed in boiling water. When the liquid wax solidifies, it not only pulls away from the sides of the can so that the resulting ingot slides out freely, but a void forms in the center. The top surface has a depression and a deep hole in the center.
WJW 12 hours ago||
Using this as a greenhouse vent actuator is pretty cool. It just makes so much sense.
alexpotato 10 hours ago||
The greenhouse vents example reminds me a lot of a float valve (or ballcock).

It's a simple mechanism that used buoyancy to either open or close valves as water level changes in a container.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballcock

modeless 7 hours ago||
I love alternative types of actuators. Electromagnetic motors are great but they're pretty complex to make, require rare earth metals for best efficiency, and require gearing in most applications. I think in the far future most of our devices will be using other types of actuators, probably made mostly of organic materials. There are many concepts for alternative actuators that just need some breakthrough materials to work.
geokon 5 hours ago||
Seems this would make it possible to make a relatively cheap waterproof actuator if you made it out of something corrosion resistant?

I've been looking for actuators to use in damp/wet environments and sealed actuators are rather expensive and supposedly don't last too long

Centigonal 2 hours ago||
Some hot water radiator systems use wax actuated valves made from brass (Taco brand is common). They are extremely simple and robust.
geokon 2 hours ago||
thank you for the pointer!

I've struggled to protect eletronics. Waterproof enclosures all fail over time. Though I have some ideas for immersion in mineral oil. But finding actuators that could work has been a bit of a struggle. These look cool, though maybe not something one could run off 5V :) Ill keep looking around

bartread 4 hours ago||
This is why wax motors are used for washing machine door locks.
geokon 2 hours ago||
how does it work for a door lock?it seem it works pretty slowly.

Mayne you know, are the internal components already designed with corrosion in mind?

curtisblaine 11 hours ago|
I have this in the greenhouse that came with my house. Seeing its roof closed in fall after it had been open all summer made me question my sanity.
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