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Posted by pseudolus 5 days ago

The American Religion of Self-Storage Facilities(www.newyorker.com)
https://archive.ph/F77tj
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alexpotato 4 days ago|
A lot of small businesses use self storage facilities as mini warehouses.

e.g. let's say you are starting a painting business

You have a lot of equipment you need (ladders, sprayers, buckets, etc) but you live in a small apartment.

A self storage unit can hold all of the above and the storage price is probably tax deductible.

stasomatic 4 days ago|
Not just warehouses. In one facility here in South Florida a family member who is a general contractor, uses the storage just as you described, but a couple of units over, there is a gun range, a gun smith shop, a tattoo shop running out of these "self-storage" units. It's legal too, kind of strange how it would be, but I see cops at the range often enough.
GenerWork 4 days ago|||
A gun range being run out of a storage unit? I realize that Florida has gun laws that people would consider nuts (you can have a gun range in your backyard and nobody can really stop you), but I'd think that the contract of the storage unit would absolutely say no gun ranges.
stasomatic 3 days ago|||
Without splitting hairs, essentially they are self-storage units that are zoned for multi-purpose use. I don't know the right nomenclature to describe them. Heck, I saw a Jamaican barbecue outfit there. I am sure there is some "farming" going on in more than a few of these. Some photos (these are hosted on my own domain, I can't stand Imgur):

https://i.tinkdeck.com/13eafadad46004a8b366f5d68f7c205a.png https://i.tinkdeck.com/e6204adcf7037830f8dcffab4f2d5a40.png https://i.tinkdeck.com/b8e6a18e1ebc8f056d6eaa93b85cf2bb.png

stasomatic 4 days ago|||
I may have expanded the definition of self-storage, apologies, but here's the place I was talking about. There is definitely storage and there are definitely guns and gunsmith shops. Crazy, hey? There are people living out of these, this part of Florida is bananas.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/iKnViouaU2inoT82A

GenerWork 4 days ago||
Ah ok, this makes a lot more sense. We have places that look exactly like this near my area of Florida as well, and it's 100% in the "industrial" zoned area. No homes, only commercial businesses and small industrial setups.

>this part of Florida is bananas

All parts of Florida are bananas :)

stasomatic 4 days ago||
Really I don’t mind, I wish there were more archery ranges but I can deal. People all around are nice, all walks of life. But if someone from another continent were to drop in, their eyebrows would have a heart attack.
rbanffy 4 days ago|||
> but I see cops at the range often enough.

If it's not legal, I'm sure the cops don't know.

flerchin 5 days ago||
When I moved to a big city from a medium sized town I had to put some stuff in storage while we lived in a small apartment and searched for a house to purchase. My bbq, lawn mower, other random stuff. Two months later I went to the office to move out and they couldn't find the paperwork. No one does that!
RajT88 5 days ago||
I rented one of these for a while after my wife and I moved in together. After a bit, I realized what we had paid for it was close to exceeding the value of the items stored within .

Just get rid of your stuff when you can. Life will be better.

Aurornis 5 days ago||
> A self-storage facility is a business that rents lockable space to people who own more stuff than they know what to do with

This has turned into another topic where people look down upon others or culture in general while assuming the worst.

Self-storage facilities can be really nice for those of us who like to live in areas where larger houses or garages aren't easy options. I can put the winter gear in there during the summer and the summer gear in there during the winter. If I need to renovate a part of the house, I can rent a storage unit for a few months and move that room's contents into it and free up space. When an older family member passes away and the estate needs to sell the house, moving the important belongings into a storage unit while the family works on dividing them up or selling them is something that happens all the time.

I don't currently have a unit, but when I was making a lot of trips to the self-storage place there were a lot of people doing all the things I mentioned above. I'm sure there are a lot of units with forgotten and unnecessary things that are basically hoarded because their owners can't let go, but I have to roll my eyes at articles that talk about it like an "American religion".

meetingthrower 4 days ago||
My idea for innovative self storage pricing: offer free month 1, $1 month 2, $2 month three, $4 month four and so on. Very soon it obviously will become untenable, and you will either stop paying and get your shit out of there.

I probably would be adversely selected by people who really only need a couple months of storage. But would force people to work against their instincts to store all their trash.

diogenescynic 5 days ago||
Great business model but terrible thing to actually use. If you have so much junk you need a storage unit, you probably need to declutter. Most people have too much junk.

On the other hand, new homes are not being built and this may be a way to compensate for so many people still acquiring the same level of junk but not owning enough homes or space to store it all. Previous generations wouldn’t have had as much of an issue when real estate was much cheaper.

grumpy_coder 4 days ago||
Cities have started to fix it, but it was mostly a zoning loophole. Protected industrial zoning typically allowed building 'mini warehouses' with limited public comment, no parking, on land that was fairly cheap.

Made self storage plentiful and cheap in areas where housing lot sqft was limited.

autoexec 5 days ago||
> the delusion that your children will want the items you’re planning to bequeath to them, especially the kind of furniture that used to be called antiques but that young people for some time have referred to derisively as “brown.”

This is madness talking. A nice "brown" bookcase or dresser is made of solid wood and will last your entire life. The alternative these days is either insanely priced and still of questionable quality or cheap, badly constructed particleboard that outgasses formaldehyde and other toxins into your home and needs to be replaced every few years.

There used to be a much larger amount of inexpensive high quality furniture on the second hand market, but now its harder to find locally. If you have kids who are allergic to the color brown, you should donate any good furniture you have. Someone will absolutely want it.

pixl97 5 days ago||
>larger amount of inexpensive high quality furniture on the second hand market,

There is no second hand market, it's just a used primary market.

Before the invention of the internet getting rid of second hand items meant tossing it, or selling it at a garage sale, or for more expensive things taking out an (pretty expensive) ad in the paper. This had a lot of friction. Sellers also had any real idea of what their items were worth. Stuff ranged from wildly expensive to impossibly cheap.

The internet broke this. If I post something too cheap, in seconds a bot picks it up and a person that retails stuff buys it up. Then 30 minute later you find the same item on the same forum for way more. This has a second order effect that these high price posts sit in the forum for long periods of time, so when Jon shows up to sell his table, he sees 50 other tables to $200 and thinks that's an appropriate price. Good deals appear to no longer exist!

cucumber3732842 5 days ago||
These flippers fancy themselves "liquidity providers". Like god forbid it take a couple days for someone to bite on your "too cheap" listing.
Sprocklem 4 days ago||
> A nice "brown" bookcase or dresser is made of solid wood and will last your entire life. The alternative these days is either insanely priced and still of questionable quality or cheap, badly constructed particleboard that [...] needs to be replaced every few years.

It is truly baffling that most modern book cases have shelves that seemingly can't hold up to the weight of books – the very thing they were made to hold.

freetime2 5 days ago||
Personally I have an almost neurotic aversion to recurring monthly payments. I'll cancel a $6/mo Netflix subscription if I feel it's not being used, and start it up again later when there's something I want to watch.

I also hate junk. If anything I own doesn't get used for more than a year, I'll sell it or trash it (with a few exceptions).

So even the thought of paying a monthly fee to store junk gives me real anxiety.

OutOfHere 5 days ago||
Since when does Netflix cost only $6? Anyhow, I am sorry but your logic of "trashing what's not used for a year" is extremely aggressive, unreasonably so. There are way too many exceptions. Examples are critical medicines, emergency food and other products, weapons, that are good to store indefinitely or until real expiration. Medicines can actually become useful at times and they easily last several years after the official expiration. Other examples are certain expensive electronic gadgets that are needed sometimes for diagnostic purposes, rarely, but absolutely. Books too.

Yes, one should donate/dispose what's never going to be needed, but the criteria have to be more discerning than a simple one year limit. I think ten years is a better limit, although I easily have worthwhile unused items going back further.

freetime2 5 days ago|||
The price of the lowest tier Netflix subscription in Japan is ¥890, which works out to a little under $6 with the current exchange rate.

I did say there were some exceptions to the rule.

PaulHoule 5 days ago|||
I would say I struggle with cables and USB chargers and such. Like after years of being involved with tech I have multiple VGA and DVI cables that I hardly ever use unless I am messing with some weird SBC.

Sometimes I go through and throw a lot of stuff out. We have a reuse center in town where you can get that sort of cable for $2 so it is not like you have to pay Best Buy prices

yourusername 4 days ago||
Organizing can help. When you put all your VGA cables in place you realize you probably don't need 15 but the 4 best ones are fine (which you also won't use but hey progress). I'm still hoarding IDE cables but at least not a excessive ammount.
flerchin 5 days ago|||
I cancel netflix et all as soon as I subscribe. If I don't notice when it lapses, then I wasn't using it.
fedreg 5 days ago||
...you may be my long lost twin...
bell-cot 5 days ago|
tl;dr; version:

While there are good use cases -

> The United States is the world leader, with roughly ninety per cent of global capacity. [...] there are more self-storage facilities in the U.S. than there are Starbucks, McDonald’s, Walmart, Home Depot, Domino’s, Dunkin’, and Costco locations combined. Annual revenues are estimated to be more than forty billion dollars.

> I asked a Welsh facility manager I met in Las Vegas what his customers keep in their units, and he said, “It’s . . . it’s . . . rubbish.”

> My wife and I have a friend whose mother died in 2006. She and her siblings decided to sell their mother’s furniture and donate the proceeds to a charity that she would have approved of. “We put everything in storage temporarily, and it’s all still there,” our friend told me. She figures that they’ve spent at least fifty thousand dollars in rental fees so far—more than they could get from selling the furniture.

lastofthemojito 5 days ago||
My mother-in-law could have been a case study for this article too. A couple decades ago she was short on cash and long on wanderlust, and her kids were grown so she packed her stuff (mainly unexceptional furniture) into a storage unit, got a cheap 1 bedroom apartment in a new city and made a new life. A decade later, she decided to try in another new city, with another tiny apartment.

All the while paying for the storage unit, occasionally talking about the cherished "family heirlooms" therein; those things she'd bring out of storage when she got a bigger place. Especially a china cabinet she had to fight her sister for when her mother died.

Now she's having health problems and is approaching the end of her life. I'm sure she'll keep paying for the storage unit until the end but soon enough the day will come my wife and I have to travel several states away to empty the contents of the storage unit into a dumpster. Including the "beloved" china cabinet that her kids have already decided they have zero interest in (and probably smells of mildew and mouse urine at this point).

I don't know the total amount spent on the storage unit over the years but I've got to think it's in the 5 figures. Enough to pay for a car, or some nice trips, or ... to keep old bedframes in a big closet.

close04 5 days ago|||
> She figures that they’ve spent at least fifty thousand dollars in rental fees so far—more than they could get from selling the furniture.

That probably doesn't even consider inflation, $1 in 2006 was worth $1.60 in today's money. People are really bad at long term financial planning but also get really attached to objects with some sentimental value. So this is a market where it's even easier to exploit that poor financial education.

lateatdesk 5 days ago||
Even without the sentimental part, cancelling means sorting everything out and finding people to take it away.
bell-cot 5 days ago|||
In theory, one can just hand the keys to a Junk Busters-type company. But yeah - actually doing that is another barrier to action.
mrguyorama 5 days ago|||
Rather than just not paying and letting the owner auction off the contents, maybe you can tell the owner of the storage facility you'd be fine with them auctioning off the contents without ever going into debt?
micromacrofoot 5 days ago||
People can get unusually attached to their stuff regardless of its objective value.
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