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Posted by vertigoruntime 16 hours ago

Astra for Law(openai.com)
510 points | 596 commentspage 6
sanghyunp 11 hours ago|
It's going to be hard for mediocre lawyers to survive now... I wonder what it takes to survive these days?
6thbit 15 hours ago||
So there's a strategy shift here. They launched financial services specific tools and now law?

Is the play here a set of specialized harnesses using their best general model?

racetozero 4 hours ago||
Legal domain is a challenge for most firms, even ours. This is a true game changer even if it looks a bit slop style in the output, the immediate uplift is quite massive.

The domain remains hard due to the lack of availability of high quality LLM-ready data providers in legal space.

bicepjai 11 hours ago||
Post AI era view on anything can be categorized as “What can go wrong ?”
Kuyawa 10 hours ago||
For law, then medicine, mathematics, physics, etc. I believe LASSI Local Artificial Super Specialized Intelligence is the future, just before it becomes GODD General Omniscient Distributed Daemon
margorczynski 13 hours ago||
The end goal should be AI judges, I think China has implemented that to some degree.
toephu2 14 hours ago||
This is the first blog post I saw OpenAI call out Claude directly like that.
ricksunny 5 hours ago||
surprised the word RAG hasn’t come ho in this thread (except for a likely-LLM-generated-and-therefore-downvoted comment).

>with settings, tools, and context

call me crazy, but I think that this kind of suite, which training-uber-alles people generally dismiss as trivially replicable ‘wrapper’ is actually the differentiating factor for LLM adoption today and moreso into the future.

I’m not dismissing the near-all-out impact of training, but from a competitive busines or industry-structure lens, we’re looking at the three or four big players competing their utmost ultimately, if unintentionally, to turn foundation model access into commodity.

To the capabilities-maximalist minded (typical among engineers - my former life so I’m familiar don’t lack guilt in committing that) folks who will say “Oh the foundation model megacorps will just build out any wrapper whenever one of their third party wrapper plays demonstrates enough adoption, my rejoinder:

Apple did not rebuild an Uber-like app and cut Uber out.

We’ll see how this OpenAI legal services industry wrapper plays out, but I suspect 1) the third party legal wrapper plays will run to other foundation models not doing a legal wrapper, and 2) 3rd party wrappers will do a better job of it since it’s their all-out focus, unlike OpenAI’s whose priorities are necessarily more generalist.

Yes, we all remember the breakout startup failure-arguing quote “Google has entered your space.” That worked for several high profile applications. I believe more of those bets died on the vine than broke-out succeeded however, we only remember the biggest ones that persisted.

If legal services AI turns into one of the Mail or Maps-scale applications of the AI industry, while that would be a fair strategic action counter to the thesis I’ve laid out, the thesis itself would still tolerate it. It’s a question of short-fat tail vs mid-to-long-tail application scope & attractiveness. For example, I think it’s clear that coding is one of these short-fat-tail applications, and the low-no code plays are absolutely having their lunch eaten to acqui-hire ‘death’. I just doubt that the same will persistently transpire facing all professional service wrapper plays.

alansaber 1 hour ago|
Agreed. We've basically phased-out the phrase "RAG" for "harness" even though a lot of the discussion is still the data integration rather than agent behaviour (sometimes an MCP or some kind of graph). The argument boils down to "will big company win everything" and the thermodynamics of it tend towards no.
smusamashah 14 hours ago||
Astra isn't doing well on bullshit Benchmark https://petergpt.github.io/bullshit-benchmark/viewer/index.n... and is even worse in Legal department.

Qwen 3.8 Max and Opus 4.8 score highest.

redwood 12 hours ago|
Revealing how they call Harvey and Legora customers instead of partners...
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