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Posted by vertigoruntime 18 hours ago

Astra for Law(openai.com)
533 points | 637 commentspage 9
TheRealPomax 14 hours ago|
how about "just turn off your company if you're so worried about AI instead of immediately suggesting we use it to judge people's lives and livelihoods"?
kappi 17 hours ago||
this essay details how law firms became sweatshops from 80s. They charge hundreds of dollars to do make busy work by the junior most staff. LLM will kill the goldengoose of the law industry.

https://aeon.co/essays/what-made-law-into-a-white-collar-swe...

submeta 18 hours ago||
Will these models eventually replace all knowledge work, leaving lawyers, doctors, product managers, software developers, and others out of a job?

If the benefits were shared across humanity, that could bring us closer to utopia. My worry is that we’ll instead end up with a handful of even wealthier billionaires and millions of people out of work.

rfgplk 18 hours ago||
> Will these models eventually replace all knowledge work, leaving lawyers, doctors, product managers, software developers, and others out of a job?

Effectively yes, in the current forms. Those professions will likely evolve, but the traditional forms (ie writing code by hand, writing law filings by hand etc) are all dead.

andriy_koval 17 hours ago|||
> Those professions will likely evolve, but the traditional forms (ie writing code by hand, writing law filings by hand etc)

there will still be writing initial and incremental prompts by hands, until and if LLMs surpass humans in all intellectual functions.

superxpro12 18 hours ago|||
in that case, legal cases would just come down to who has more compute lol. Many times cases win on their merits, but we've also seen evidence where overwhelming legal pressure can influence cases.
spongebobstoes 18 hours ago||
bigger spender already has a huge advantage, up to millions of dollars

this is more likely to democratize the legal system by reducing the cost of a good legal team

raphman 17 hours ago||
May I just note that there are other jurisdictions on this planet that are less money-biased than than the US one but will be disrupted by law-LLMs as well?

It seems much more probable to me that these LLMs will make good things worse than that they will make bad things better.

spongebobstoes 53 minutes ago|||
where does more money to pay a better legal team not help?
margorczynski 16 hours ago|||
Everywhere a good lawyer costs a lot of money.
cjjuice 18 hours ago|||
Just a few years ago people were paying 400k for pictures of apes. We always make up new stuff to spend money on.
ceejayoz 18 hours ago||
You know most of that was wash trading, right?
rsecora 18 hours ago|||
If we have enough energy and raw materials to keep building, yes, it will be an utopia made real. But if there is energy scarcity, then other two outcomes can arise.
porkshoe 18 hours ago||
This also assumes that the AI owners _want_ a global utopia, or that governments will enforce that outcome.

As it stands, it seems far more likely to result in a wonderful life for a few, and an absolute catastrophe for most.

rsecora 17 hours ago||
XIX century dickensian society and Gilded Age barons were replaced by the time of the New Deal.
siva7 18 hours ago|||
No, it will only leave those without a professional license jobless. Like software developers.
spiderice 17 hours ago||
Doubt it. When someone can go to Astra MD for 75% of what they used to go to the doctor for, then the remaining doctors only have 25% as many visits. When doctors only have 25% as many visits, they have to compete on price and they make less per visit.

Same argument for plumbers. Everyone always jokes about what a good time it is to be a plumber. But what happens when all the software engineers turn to plumbing? Suddenly it's not such a good time to be a plumber anymore.

bawana 13 hours ago|||
What happens when the AI makes a mistake with a diagnosis? I can hear it now 'Oh how perceptive you are, yes that pain in your knee could have been a torn meniscus'.
Thrymr 16 hours ago|||
Eagerly awaiting your robot plumbing startup. I highly doubt anything in plumbing is compute-limited.
cidd 18 hours ago|||
True, unless you're a surgeon.
rsoto2 18 hours ago||
I mean that's what all of these execs are openly telling everyone: they want you out of work, they want their ai to be the one to bring the world to it's knees, they want to surveille every second of your day, they want killer drones to use, they want to lay all of your cities to rubble and build "paradises" on top of them like in gaza.

They also openly tell you what they are afraid of btw: collective worker power. something that is massively lacking in our industry, although i feel like it would be one of the easiest industries to unionize in terms of # of workers.

Interesting interview I just watched about how powerful and dangerous these "wishes" or "prophecies" are especially in the hands of the ultra-wealthy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR7grHa1NR0

jackb4040 16 hours ago||
"Introducing Astra for Dog Walkers"
WarmWash 18 hours ago||
Cool, now you can pay an attorney $500/hr for them to prompt Astra for 30 minutes, and bill you like they spent the normal 8 hours on the case.
hahajk 18 hours ago||
Perhaps, but then someone would do the same but bill you for 7 hours, someone else would undercut them again, until the price reaches a lower equilibrium.
stockresearcher 18 hours ago||
That is an ethics violation. Even in the pre-AI era, getting caught billing for hours not worked was seriously punished.
adzm 17 hours ago|||
"7.5 hours - reviewing output"
stockresearcher 17 hours ago||
Sure, if they actually spent 7.5 hours, and it was a reasonable amount of time. If not, perhaps it would be seen as evidence of incompetence.

In the real world, lawyers submit detailed bills and their clients examine them. If you don’t, that’s on you.

epolanski 17 hours ago|||
How could that be enforced/checked?
program_whiz 2 hours ago||
the same way every legal rule is enforced / checked: people look and if it seems iffy they examine/complain, and if a problem is found people get fined/jail.
Madmallard 15 hours ago||
The grifts continue... imagine something as consequential as Law being advertised as being solved by a statistical word generation engine that regularly gets basic things wrong. Anyone who isn't a lawyer won't know any better but you draft a single document of any appreciable detail and send it to an actual lawyer and it's littered with problems.
aitoolcrux 14 hours ago||
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