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Posted by nicolas-siplis 16 hours ago

Bend – A language that blocks AI mistakes via proof, on CPU and GPU(bend-lang.com)
501 points | 238 commentspage 6
AlexErrant 15 hours ago|
https://github.com/bendlang/bend

...did they just squash the repo to 1 commit for v2.0.4? Why? Yall should know that in this age of AI trust is the real currency... and nuking your history is one hell of a way to raise eyebrows.

> Enjoy bug-free, fast vibe-coded apps! Hints: ask it to write laws for whatever should never break, and to parallelize everything you want running fast. Bend is young: if anything goes wrong, ask it to open an issue.

Emphasis mine. I don't want to be snarky but like... come on.

randomblock1 15 hours ago||
Multiple times, even. Still no real reason why. https://github.com/bendlang/bend/activity?ref=main

One time they force pushed and erased everything except a 2-line README... on purpose.

Pre-obliteration version: https://github.com/bendlang/bend/tree/814453670d0e0d6777c131...

LightMachine 15 hours ago||
There is just a lot of private data and even proprietary code (like SupGen) in the commit story, so I just squashed it. I didn't think that'd be an issue? Why?
LightMachine 10 hours ago||
Commit history is back!
icrbow 15 hours ago|||
Taelin's X is a war story of how the codexes and fables tried to bend it. If you're afraid then LLMs were used in there - fear no more - they were.
thechao 15 hours ago|||
> curl -fsSL https://bend-lang.com/install.sh | sh

Hmmm... needs `sudo`.

Banditoz 15 hours ago|||
GitHub shows 44 contributors. 41 distinct users have merged pull requests.

...so now their work has been reduced to nothing?

developedby 14 hours ago||
Old repo can be accessed here https://github.com/HigherOrderCO/Bend1 . I guess we could have it as a branch on the bend2 repo
LightMachine 15 hours ago||
yes, there's a lot of personal info and AI slop in the commit history.

is this a problem to you? why

ModernMech 12 hours ago|||
To give you a concrete reason why you should care to preserve the exact history and why it’s a matter of trust: in your paper, you reported the pinned SHA head of the benchmarks you ran. When you destroy the history you make it hard for people to duplicate your benchmark results. Why report the SHA if you are going to destroy the history?

https://github.com/bendlang/bend/blob/80b6539bc57621633ca68e...

AlexErrant 14 hours ago|||
Erm, because it looks weird? Do you know any other language projects that squash their repos down to 1 commit? That's a destruction of trust, which is kinda important if you want people to build on your language.

Virtually everyone has AI slop in the commit history. No one's judging you for the commit history. Everyone's code smells, but the fact that you're ashamed/hiding it is... odd.

> there's a lot of personal info

You should know that force pushing doesn't hide actual commits; it's trivially viewable if someone just iterates https://github.com/bendlang/bend/activity?ref=main e.g. https://github.com/bendlang/bend/commit/d184863 so like... why bother.

LightMachine 14 hours ago|||
alright, we could try to restore history removing sensitive bits if that's so important. thanks for the feedback
AlexErrant 13 hours ago||
Props. G'luck with your project, I know what it's like to work nights & weekends. Unfortunately, first impressions matter.
LightMachine 10 hours ago||
Ty! Commit history is back now
tehnub 12 hours ago|||
I for one don't find it strange at all that he squashed the commit history. I suspect many feel similarly. You've demonstrated that you're quite taken aback by it, but without explaining anything wrong with it. It is not a "destruction of trust".
AlexErrant 8 hours ago||
I mean... If you wanna build your project on a language that has no auditable history, reproducible builds, artifacts/releases, force pushes and breaks literally EVERY fork/PR, has no way to build or even see v2.0.3, and doesn't have changelogs... then I guess that's cool. You must be a trusting person; I unfortunately am not like that.
daishi55 14 hours ago||
Hmmm. I don’t really have any issues with frontier models not implementing my prompts correctly, and presumably that will only become more and more the case as the models get better and better. This seems like almost a non-issue already and certainly on its way to becoming one for sure?
monster_truck 15 hours ago||
No windows? axiomatic F32? I'll stick with Slopjective-C 3.0 thanks
lbrito 9 hours ago|
Claude Bopus has it for you. Its literally in the MCP. You should have harnesses with Sonneto. Have you even used the latest models? GPT Optimus have them.
npn 14 hours ago||
I read the readme and the guide file. There is just one thing I can comment: might as well solve the NP hard problems. I think you can do it easily, author. As you can already solved harder problems than those with your language.
2muchcoffeeman 9 hours ago||
Why wouldn’t you use dafny?
hirako2000 15 hours ago||
Great team behind it. SSL cert is quantum resistant even.
BatchJob 11 hours ago||
2 wrongs will never make a right
lioeters 10 hours ago|
Sometimes two falses equal true, and three lefts make a right.
12uq7 15 hours ago|

  claude: 1 commit 1,722,119 ++0 --
I assume that Claude formally proved Bend correct like CakeML?

Why would anyone want to work with such a dystopian setup? Prove your code directly in Lean or Coq or leave it.

developedby 14 hours ago|
Most of that is just the test suite. The actual code is about 10k lines
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