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Posted by ilreb 1 day ago

OpenJev(openjev.com)
635 points | 269 commentspage 5
speedgoose 23 hours ago|
I would need proper benchmarks but in my limited testing on my Phone using Qwen 0.6b, this doesn’t work well.

Between "brocoli and poop soup" or "cake", it recommends me to eat the soup.

nozzlegear 22 hours ago|
It's got fiber and some extra bacteria for your gut biome!
jasurme 1 day ago||
did you use chatgpt to create this?
algoth1 1 day ago|
It looks claudish in writing style
zemlyansky 1 day ago||
is it just jsonformer / guidance (2023) + cache? what is this hype about?
rvz 17 hours ago|
> what is this hype about?

This is what happens when people are stuck at thinking in one solution (LLMs on everything) when research means you have to try and experiment on undiscovered and already discovered ideas.

Now Jev is all the hype, taken over from silly experiments on fly brains.

bnbn88 11 hours ago||
Oh that quickly!!
AIorNot 16 hours ago||
Can someone explain JEV or link to a explainer and exactly What it is - from my vague understanding its a decsion model that doesnt output tokens? Thanks
exe34 1 day ago||
I can't read this. I have ADHD.
spwa4 1 day ago||
What happened to the "reverse compiler" LLM restrictors?

The last step of an LLM is to take a softmax of the predictions and then generating a token from that. But there was tooling that would just generate all allowed next tokens from a grammar (e.g. restrict to valid JSON), zeroing all the ones not allowed and then picking the best among the allowed tokens.

This seems to taking an approach from the pre-transformer days. Seq-to-seq is hard and we don't always need it. So let's do seq-to-1 because it's often way easier to get it training properly and so you can often get it optimized way better. And, more generally, make sure to pick the best option out of the possibilities: 1-to-1, 1-to-seq, seq-to-1 and seq-to-seq. Where seq-to-seq requires far more resources than any other option and so it's a case of "please don't".

Also note that "1" only means the input is fixed. It does not mean 1 number or ... it just means fixed. The best image description models remained 1-to-seq models 4 years or so after transformers were introduced. Even ASR models remained 1-to-seq + CTC to stitch overlapping parts together to a final prediction ... I'm not sure if they lasted all the way to whisper release.

Even today training transformers remains expensive. So this should at least be a way to be a lot cheaper than any LLM can hope to be.

And I really like the doom demo. Obviously a pretty stupid model which is really cheap to run can still get a robot walking, if you run it quickly enough. That's how we get insects and mice and ...

And one might even add that biologically, humans aren't smart, or at least, most of the human nervous system isn't smart, compared to the whole, and does work independently if needed (and possible). The human mind is a LOOOOOOOONG chain of fast-but-stupid-and-totally-blind -> slightly-slower-but-smarter-and-not-entirely-blind -> slower-smarter-and-actually-senses-things -> all-information-you-could-want-but-at-most-1-signal-per-minute. We have "neural circuits" (using Bishop's definition) that can run at >2khz (2000+ tok/s, say, but you probably can't teach anything more than averaging) and on the other end up to our frontal lobe that takes one decision per week if it feels like working hard, and seems to decide on it's prediction of the future weeks to months out. Months or years if you're 40 or older.

camillomiller 1 day ago||
I tried this:

"Customer wants to lear how to better talk in a company situation, and bring across their argument effectively"

Than had it choose what training would be fitting for this user: - Communication and Feedback - Leadership for Begninners - Soft Skills and Emotional Awareness

It picked always the third with an 80% confidence, while the answer should have been 1.

arcwhite 1 day ago|
You sure the answer should have been 1? As a human I'd say I don't have enough information to answer this confidently, but "argument effectively" strongly suggests soft skills to me
ares623 1 day ago||
I gave it a choice of "Foo" and "Bar" and it scored "Foo" at 98% percent. Why not 0% for both?
exitb 1 day ago||
You mostly go for „Bar” only after you already went „Foo”.
lukasbm 1 day ago|||
Because it's forced to rate them, there's should be a separate uncertainty parameter for both.
hanspagel 1 day ago|||
Did you try Tabs and Spaces?
kantahayashi 18 hours ago||
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colesantiago 1 day ago|
This is true Jevons Paradox (hence the Jev name) there will be so many usecases, applications and even new jobs out of this.

Learned also that Jev was trained on 100%(!) synthetic data.

What a great time to be alive.

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