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Posted by ibobev 4 days ago

How did AMD Ryzen get 50% faster in two years?(lemire.me)
145 points | 30 commentspage 2
nly 4 days ago|
Am I missing something? Max boost went up by only 15% but the base frequency went up 38%

Better thermals maybe? Less throttling?

ProllyInfamous 4 days ago||
>>Better thermals maybe?

One of the biggest improvements to the Ryzen 7 X3D series (e.g. 9800) is that the caches have been moved from one side of the die (to the other), which places the major heat source closer to the heat sinks.

SO yes, less heat throttling.

qball 3 days ago|||
Smaller node size means less voltage.

Power is heat, and the amount dissipated is the square of the voltage- a processor that is reliable at less voltage means you can get a lot more frequency in the same heat envelope.

Yet reliability decreases as frequency goes up, and that can only be stabilized by adding more voltage- so the faster you run the processor, the more voltage you ultimately have to give it, so the power/heat produced grows exponentially until you can't get rid of the heat fast enough (at which point your only option is to actively cool the chip).

This is overclocking 101.

Note that classic overclocking was viable because of arbitrage- buying a processor, pushing it to the point it got too hot, and stress-testing it at that temperature to ensure reliable operation. Processor manufacturers all do that formal verification at the factory now as they'd be uncompetitive otherwise, especially in laptops.

ChoGGi 3 days ago|||
As ProllyInfamous mentioned; bringing the cores to the top helped reduce heat, which allows them to boost higher for longer periods then the 7800x3d.
kasabali 4 days ago||
its manufactured on a smaller node so probably has more leeway for higher freq on all core loads.

I’d also be weary of single core scores,Geekbench is known to be favoring specialized instruction sets like AVX or encryption extensions more and more as the version number progresses. Though I don’t know if GB6 is also like this I wouldn’t be surprised it it was caused by it.

christkv 2 hours ago||
I love my frameworks strix halo box. 16 zen 5 cores with way more memory bandwidth than they should have for a desktop. Only missing the x3d cache
paulkrush 3 days ago||
2022 to 2024
stefantalpalaru 4 days ago||
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kgwgk 4 days ago||
It would have been funny if the "how" had been dropped to end with "Did AMD Ryzen get 50% faster in two years?"
goodpoint 1 hour ago||
By being more expensive?
whatever1 1 hour ago|
Single core performance still worse than an iPhone.

The x86 folks lost the ball completely. For workstation/ mobile needs you go to arm. For matmul at scale you go to gpus.

I guess windows gaming with separate gpu is the only remaining market for them.

Unless Nvidia releases a motherboard with an arm cpu on top of their RTX cards, and then that market is gone too.

chlorion 50 minutes ago||
The IPhone runs on a battery, with no active cooling.

There is no chance the sustained single core perf is better than a 150=200+w ryzen with a big noctua cooler on it. The power draw alone would kill the battery in a few minutes(?), and the heat would make it catch fire. lol