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Posted by theanonymousone 14 hours ago

Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP(grapheneos.social)
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xnx 13 hours ago|
The world needs a Steam Phone.
crossroadsguy 6 hours ago||
It sure needs a large enough push from one of few big companies (with their explicit backing) that can bring businesses to support other app store(s). But imho that has to happen in a way that it doesn't create a need to write and publish apps in yet another language to yet another platform. Because if businesses have to do that as well that will be a good way to ensuring it becomes a DoA effort.

I've a feeling companies like Meta, Amazon, Steam are well placed to do this (esp. Meta and Steam). But not sure it will be helpful to them in any way, besides they'd want to ensure their own control and locks.

fschuett 49 minutes ago|||
Does the Brax Phone fit?
fsflover 13 hours ago|||
If you mean GNU/Linux phones, they already exist and can be used as daily drivers by technical people. Sent from my Librem 5.
xnx 13 hours ago|||
Yes, but a popular one that's usable by regular people and with a very wealthy organization behind it.
etatester 4 hours ago|||
How do you expect things to be popular without a company with self-interest? Producing a linux phone that people want requires immense capital, they're not just spending that and then releasing as open source forever.

By the time the product becomes "popular", it's then just one more platform that needs to follow investor interest and laws.

TheBicPen 10 hours ago||||
Why GNU? I get the appeal of Linux, but Android has that angle covered. What makes GNU a better userspace than Android for phone use? I actually think the Andoid userspace is very good for what it is. If Google's influence were magically removed, Android would be more or less the ideal OS, at least for me.
altermetax 6 hours ago|||
It's not GNU itself that's appealing, it's the fact that it's not controlled by a company.
drdaeman 9 hours ago|||
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fsflover 13 hours ago||||
This can be achieved if more people support the effort. If you expect megacorps to offer you a device respecting your freedom, think again.
lanfeust6 13 hours ago|||
I miss my blackberry
xethos 7 hours ago||
It's not the same, it does not run BBOS10, and de-Googled LineageOS will have to do for now (for me).

But at least we can get updated internals for the Q20 (and soon the Passport). It'll be the closest we can get to carrying a BlackBerry for some time, if ever, and I'm happy enough with mine that I picked up a spare mainboard

https://zinwa.com/

hagbard_c 13 hours ago||||
They exist but they need more polish and support from device vendors to be a viable alternative to the duopoly. It should be just as easy for the average phone buyer to get and use a 'Linux phone' as it is to get an Android or fruit phone. This is more or less true now for Linux distributions no matter what the naysayers keep on repeating, the next step is to make it true for mobile devices. There will still be naysayers but... who cares? Let them listen to themselves in their echo chambers like they've been doing w.r.t. 'Linux on the desktop'.
MrDrMcCoy 9 hours ago|||
Wake me when they get modern hardware.
Velocifyer 13 hours ago||
This is confirming my belies that Google is trying to block OEMs that don't pay them to be part of GMS, with the goal of eventually being the only android phone maker.
m4rtink 2 hours ago||
Android really going for the gutter recently.
petcat 13 hours ago||
Does anyone contribute to AOSP besides Google? Does Google actually accept any patches into "upstream" and ultimately into their own commercial distro?
nzeid 13 hours ago||
The phrasing of your first question is ironic given GrapheneOS has upstreamed a ton of their security hardening.

You're probably asking if they're able contribute anymore?

izacus 13 hours ago||
Can you link to patches or commits they upstteamed? I'm not aware Google ever accepted any.
PhilippGille 12 hours ago||
https://grapheneos.org/faq#upstream

https://android-review.googlesource.com/q/status:merged+auth...

HJain13 5 hours ago||
Nothing in last 5 years; and if we ignore the last one, Nothing in almost 9-10 years. I am not sure how much weight it holds. Now if that's on Google on not accepting stuff that's different matter
ysnp 1 minute ago|||
What about issue tracker discussions, mailing list discussions, security vulnerability reports etc.?
izacus 2 hours ago|||
Most of it is one liner config changes too, not much of actual code.
justdeko 12 hours ago||
quite a few manufacturers do, specifically in the automotive sphere and ofc samsung etc.

in terms of accepting, unless it's stuff like bugfixes to core mechanisms, not really.

cton 1 hour ago||
Out of curiosity, do closed APIs mean OEMs can’t fuck them up or at least limit how much they can?
exabrial 13 hours ago||
Someone please make a linux-based, using proper cgroups/containers for app isolation, where programs are one of: regular JVM ByteCode, or WASM. APIs follow a JEP-style Process with multiple incubators until we got it right.
linzhangrun 1 hour ago||
How surprising.
QuantumGood 9 hours ago||
AOSP = "Android Open Source Project"
soleil-colza 4 hours ago||
Feels like the "Pixel = reference implementation of AOSP" relationship is starting to erode.
TiredOfLife 3 hours ago|
Pixel never was a reference aosp. You are thinkin of nexus.
Ritewut 7 hours ago|
I would love to know what alternative phone OSes exist. I would happily throw money and my engineering weight behind a promising project.
jeroenhd 58 minutes ago||
Sailfish has a Linux-based OS with some Android compatibility.

Ubuntu Touch has left behind UBPorts which uses Android's hardware layer to provide a usable UI on existing Android devices.

There's the Librem phone with an open source stack, though its hardware doesn't come close to a cheap Android phone these days.

There are projects like PostmarketOS which work to get mainline Linux on phones. From there, you can run Linux on phones through desktop environments such as Phosh and Plasma Mobile which are touch optimized.

FirefoxOS died but was forked into KaiOS, though the modern iteration of KaiOS is an Android fork.

Samsung has TizenOS but I don't think any phones run it anymore. It's probably the closest equivalent to Android in the way it has been developed.

If you want to throw money at something, Sailfish may be the project to keep an eye on. All the other volunteer-run operating systems are worth donating to, of course, but Sailfish is actually trying to be a real third option rather than an open source proof of concept or alternative for shitty vendors stopping updates.

d3Xt3r 44 minutes ago||
Plenty. The ones you want to donate to are postmarketOS, Alpine Linux (the distro postmarketOS is based on) and Plasma Mobile (the main DE used by postmarketOS and other distros like Mobian).

In terms of usability, SailfishOS is the most usable, but it has some proprietary components and is commercially backed by Jolla, so there's no need to donate to them. I do encourage you to buy their devices if you can though. Speaking of devices, Furilabs and Volla also make practical, decent spec Linux phones (based on Debian and Ubuntu Touch), so they're worth checking out as well.

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