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Posted by erwald 3 days ago

I think you should almost never use AI to write(erichgrunewald.substack.com)
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bko 3 days ago|
> I think so because (1) the writing process is an essential part of the thinking process, (2) AI writing is vague and wrong in hard-to-notice ways, and (3) writing with AI (and not labeling it as such) is rude and misleading. I’ll explain these points in more detail below, but first, a few throat clearings.

1. Agree writing process is essential, but just getting your thoughts down is the start.

2. Human writing is very often vague and wrong in hard to notice ways, but I would say it's more likely to be wrong in easy to notice ways, which is ... better?

3. I think it's rude to not use the best tools to convey the message most clearly and most respectfully of my time. I often use AI to help me write emails and nearly every time it provides more concise well structured versions of what I have to say. 99% of the time I'm just trying to convey a message clearly, that's all. When I write my draft there is often words I can delete or phrases that I can shorten. It's hard to spot but when you have AI point them out it's obvious. This is the role of an editor (check out Stephen King book On Writing which makes this point). Unfortunately I don't have an editor, but I have AI that helps trim the fat, get to the point and save my readers time.

If these tools are available to you and you don't use them, then I think that would be disrespectful. I don't take any solace thinking how much time and effort went into what someone wrote me. If I could save them time and have AI write or edit, and save me time reading it since it would be more concise and better structured, it's a win-win.

elmomle 3 days ago||
Just a couple of days ago, a customer rep at a company we partner with dropped a long doc that had basic reasoning errors once you got into the individual sections.

I would have much preferred if the rep had written a shorter document and reached out about things they were uncertain about. Instead thet wasted my and my team's time as we first tried to make sense of the document on good faith before realizing the problem.

I don't care if people use LLMs per se, but if this is functionally the result, then in this aspect of my work things would go much better if people did not use them. They are a great interface for talking to a machine, but due to the laziness they breed, they are a terrible interface for talking to other humans unless approached with a great deal of discipline.

bko 3 days ago||
Yes, you hit on the main problem with LLMs for writing. It doesn't cost you anything. It can do the reasoning for you and creating long messaging with dodgy reasoning.

I think you should write down your thoughts, tell it to make the points you spelled out and be concise and respectful of the reader's time and attention. When I do this, it works very well. But I agree if you just have it respond and reason it tends to often produces bad responses.

mathgeek 3 days ago||
I think your point on “cutting down on words”, so to speak, is relative to personal writing style. I find that AI tends to write far more words than I personally do, which is sometimes useful, but in the opposite direction that it works for you.
bko 3 days ago||
PROMPT: make this more concise while conveying the same message

I think “cutting down on words” depends on personal writing style. AI tends to write more than I would, so I usually have the opposite problem.

rajay99 3 days ago||
I use AI to write all the time. It can write better than I can. This article is wayyy to pretentious.
peterpanhead 2 days ago||
Sorta based? “You should never use AI for writing!!” then goes an uses AI for writing. Funny stuff mate. I agree generally but you still use and used AI and are telling people not to.
erwald 2 days ago|
Why do you think I used AI to write this? (I didn't.)
malacola 3 days ago||
This resonated with me - I’ve been avoiding things that affect my word choice since mobile messaging apps started introducing “next logical word choice” features for the exact reasons outlined here. If writing approximates thought, I don’t want some third party process constantly butting in and derailing that train, even if I’m just texting someone.

But as a thought experiment, replace “writing” in this article with “coding”, and ask yourself why the same points wouldn’t hold? Maybe it’s because I enjoyed writing essays in college, before I wrote software as a job, but I’ve never seen much difference between writing code and writing natural language. They’re both a means to an end, some lossy way of encoding thought. One is machine executable and one isn’t (arguable maybe, at this point) but I think they both suffer from the same pathologies outlined here when AI takes over, eg, “writing is thought”, “AI writing can be subtly wrong” etc.

Yet the preponderance of hot takes I see these days are along the lines of “code review is dead”, “writing code by hand is dead”. Perhaps people largely don’t see code as communication? It bothers me to imagine a world where the vast majority of textual communication produced becomes machine generated, whether that’s natural language or code.

thenthenthen 3 days ago|
LLM’s can be soooo derailing. Better ask a few friends to give feedback on your writing. Yes, it will take two weeks before you get any, but it is waaay more valuable than any LLM and absolutely worth the time (also gives you some fresh eyes ;) ). Dont forget to give them a gift, copy, credit.
Revanche1367 3 days ago||
I’ve found Gemini and Codex can do pretty well by just telling them to follow my writing style, be brief, be less robotic, be professional, be semi-professional, use less technical jargon, no em-dashes, etc. depending on the task. But, I only use that for short summaries of things I am deeply familiar with to send a slack message about or similar. I also edit before sending. It takes maybe a couple of prompts to get 90% of the way there.

Claude on the other hand is atrocious at sounding human, it’s like it’s deliberately following LLM -speak stereotypes no matter how you tell it to write. I finally told it to stop using “Claudeisms,” which gave better though not great results.

a-dub 3 days ago||
i like to write and then workshop with the ai. i find that i have to push back on tendencies it (has less of these days) has to rewrite my work in massive ways. it also can help with writers block sometimes, or parts of a paragraph i'm not that interested in.
throwaway81523 2 days ago||
Seems like poor advice. Why "almost"?
numitus 3 days ago||
This is just some sort of Luddism all over again. Sorry to be blunt, but nobody cares about your proofreading, because your text will most likely be read by another AI anyway. Your boss doesn't care about what's more convenient for you either. If you generate X amount of value for the company and your colleague generates 3X, you'll soon find yourself out on the street. It's like saying you don't like Googling things and instead prefer spending the whole day at the library reading through articles and books. LLMs are incredibly powerful tools, and everyone's task right now is to learn how to maximize their productivity by leveraging their advantages and mitigating their flaws, rather than urging people not to use AI. The genie is out of the bottle, and the world will never be the same.
Kodiack 3 days ago|
LLMs are incredibly powerful and useful tools, but offloading your writing to them oftentimes means you’re placing an undue burden on whoever you’re sending the generated output to.

To take it to the extreme, a “3x worker” is by definition relative, and someone malicious could achieve that by overloading a colleague with generated text that they themselves hadn’t bothered to read in full. You can stay at your baseline but be “3x” if you’re sufficiently able to sabotage your coworkers.

I’ve been on the receiving end of needing to review “documentation” that was generated almost entirely by LLM. It wasn’t anything that was done with malicious intent, but it’s still exhausting, and you need to exercise an even greater degree of caution because of the potential subtle mistakes or inaccuracies that a real human would never make.

numitus 3 days ago||
I agree that sending someone a text you haven't read and understood is a sign of poor skills, much like forwarding someone else's message that has nothing to do with the issue being discussed. But we have to acknowledge that the market for speechwriters and corporate copywriters has existed for centuries. Surely you don't think a president is being dishonest when delivering a speech that someone else wrote for them?
jplusequalt 3 days ago||
>Surely you don't think a __president is being dishonest__ when delivering a speech that someone else wrote for them?

Oh, but I would!

someguynamedq 3 days ago|
That's a lot of qualifiers for one title
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