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Posted by lmbbuchodi 1 day ago

ChatGPT now knows what you do on other websites via ad collector(www.buchodi.com)
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ck2 1 day ago|
imagine stealing tons of content from every source on earth and then running ads on it

if a single person did that they'd be sent to prison (rip Aaron) but when a too-big-to-fail industry does it with political campaign contributions, no problem?

well firefox+ublock is still an option for those wise enough not to let unknown javascript with new daily zero-days run on their PC

jsrozner 1 day ago||
This is basically what Google did when they pioneered the model of surveillance capitalism (see, e.g., The Age of Surveillance Capitalism).

Google simply provided an index on top of an existing library. Of course, a librarian has no value if he has no books to index over! But it's also worth noting that the Google "librarian" also leveraged the existing "social" structure of the internet: their core contribution (page rank) was a clever, efficient mechanism to extract the latent value in the pre-existing link structure of the internet. This structure (much like the pages themselves) had been curated by actual humans. Undoubtedly page rank was clever, but it was worthless without the existing websites (books) and the existing indexing information (the pre-existing, crowdsourced librarian work). Nonetheless, they successfully monetized it.

AI companies are even worse in the sense that initially Google was still sending traffic to the original webpages. (Until they didn't - https://www.eater.com/2017/9/12/16294380/yelp-google-scrapin...). So yes, the AI companies have even more thoroughly stolen the collective work of humanity than Google did.

jsrozner 1 day ago|||
It is hilarious that this got downvoted, even when it's entirely factually accurate. I encourage the downvoters to respond to the content.
ck2 1 day ago|||
remember the cache: search of google

so they basically have copies already of every webpage until they turned it off a few years ago (well they may still have it updated but not provide it as a service)

so it occurs to me they most definitely trained their "AI" on all that user cache

they may have even just turned it off as a service when they realized other "AI" could do the same thing

emerongi 1 day ago||
> imagine stealing tons of content from every source on earth and then running ads on it

This has effectively been Google’s business for decades. Not in the same form, but the concept is the same.

measurablefunc 1 day ago||
Every AI company is also a surveillance company. It's the only way to get all the necessary training data. The fact that they're now also an advertising agency is incidental.
gruez 1 day ago|
>It's the only way to get all the necessary training data.

That... does not follow. The information you're getting with this is what sites a user visits. That's creepy and valuable for advertising purposes, but is hardly the type of that that's going to bring about ASI, which is what all the AI labs are working towards. That's why they're hiring data annotators (sometimes with masters or phds) to get training data.

measurablefunc 1 day ago||
Ok, good to know.
bitwize 1 day ago||
"Now let me read your mind... Ah, it seems you like Castlevania!"
IceDane 1 day ago||
Love how there's an extremely lengthy explanation of the oldest way to track people on the internet like this shit hasn't been happening since cookies were created.
xyst 1 day ago||
The entire ad tech industry may truly be an intelligence agency front. The lengths they go to track individuals is quite alarming.

Much of this information plus a shit ton of other information (ie, LEOs have access to credit reporting) can be bought by governments from the shady data broker networks already.

If people still ignorantly claim this isn’t a George Orwellian dystopia …

Andrex 1 day ago|
> The entire ad tech industry may truly be an intelligence agency front. The lengths they go to track individuals is quite alarming.

Never attribute to malice what can be explained as greed.

The quiet part you rarely hear is that advertising is a smoke and mirror industry akin to throwing darts at a wall. The idea of "homing darts" that stick the target a percentage more of the time would be very attractive in this analogy.

Tech turns advertising from mostly a buckshot spread into something that kinda sounds like something solid and real ("Look, numbers! CTR! CPC! KPI! Our ad product WORKS! Paying customers for your business, guaranteed!")

Ad budgets almost never correlate with actual performance.[0] We're all just lying to ourselves that this business model is performing as expected, and I don't think a reckoning is that far off.

0. https://www.forbes.com/sites/augustinefou/2021/01/02/when-bi...

inetknght 23 hours ago||
> Never attribute to malice what can be explained as greed.

Why attribute to greed when the effects are indistinguishable from malice?

hagbard_c 1 day ago||
...only if and when you allow:

  - 3d party cookies
  - ads and other 'malcontent'
...which you should never do. As to the 3d party cookies there might be some rare exception where those can be useful but ads? Never, ever allow those on any device you use. Block them as if they're the radioactive plague because they are. Fight them on the beaches, fight them on the landing grounds, fight them in the fields and in the streets, fight them in the hills, never surrender.

That's ads we're fighting. Maybe the same oration will be relevant in the context of ChatGPT and its brethern, we'll see. For now, ads be gone and keep those chatbots at a leash.

hagbard_c 11 hours ago|
So, knee-jerk-down-voter, what is it about what I said here which irked you so much that you just had to press that irksome button again? Or is it just because I happen to have said something else sometime earlier which makes you obligated by doctrine to down-vote whatever else I write? Let us know. Do you work in ad-tech? Don't you like the (ab)use of the Churchill quote? Is it the suggestion that it might be needed in relation to ChatGPT et. al. sometime in the future? Enlighten us, don't just attempt to get a dissenting opinion greyed out. That is for cowards, don't hide behind that button, don't be a craving coward, don't be a sheep. This is, after all, a discussion board, not some online likes competition where you get brownie points for getting rid of dissenters.

...or maybe it is the latter for some, maybe it is a way for some to raise their status among their co-religionists?

Comrade Knee-Jerk, what did you do for the cause today? Answer me!

Somewhere among the crowd a figure emerges, clearly nervous. He tries to speak but starts stammering, stops and tries again. What is he afraid of?

- Oh Great Leader, today I did the work to banish one of the hated dissenters from the internets by voting down his malign words so that no others may be subjected to anything but the Desired Narrative.

Is that all you did, Comrade Knee-Jerk? Is that how you claim your worth for the Great Cause? I am dissapointed, Comrade Knee-Jerk.

- Oh Great Leader, I will do better, I will educate myself, I will do my part to eradicate dissent from the internets for the Great Cause, I p...p....promise!

I do not like to be disappointed again, Comrade Knee-Jerk! I will have to think over your position, whether you are truly committed to the Great Cause. Now hide yourself. Comrade Zlither, what did you do for the cause today? Answer me!

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rvz 1 day ago|
Just remember it is the same ex-Meta employees who are now at OpenAI adding Ad features into ChatGPT.

Why? Because they are saving humanity. /s

Facebook tracks you outside of their own website for the same reason, and now ChatGPT does the same for the sake of...Ads.

I told you so. [0]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48996936

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