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Posted by bundie 3 days ago

Flock is rolling out a voluntary severance program(www.neowin.net)
135 points | 102 commentspage 3
ck2 3 days ago|
have a conscious when trying to do immoral things will never work out

I mean look at NSA, Presidency, etc. "no conscious, no problem!"

Just "other" victims and imply they are all criminals somehow someway and you can dismiss any feeling of doing wrong

Analemma_ 3 days ago|
Unfortunately the selection effect here means that the remaining employees are gonna be super committed to thinking Flock is a good thing for the world, and will double-down on being defensive and angry any time Flock is challenged.
krupan 3 days ago|
Thankfully they will be greatly outnumbered among general society. Most humans are good people.
ticulatedspline 3 days ago|||
It doesn't take a lot of bad people to subjugate a lot of good people.
loeg 3 days ago||||
It's wild that you think good people can't support enforcing laws.
charcircuit 3 days ago||||
People defending society from criminals are good people too. It's the literal definition of "good guys."
preg_match 3 days ago||
Flock doesn’t defend anyone from anything, it’s just surveillance technology. The defending is done by other people, who may or may not use the surveillance for good.

Historically, surveillance is used for good and evil. Certainly, Nazi Germany would have killed many more Jews if flock had existed during that time. Their surveillance was pretty primitive by modern standards, and they still managed to track, identify, and execute millions of Jewish people.

Ultimately, we have to take a step back and analyze if our incentives and systems are designed such that surveillance is used for good, and evil use is deterred. And, regardless of political affiliation, the answer to that analysis should be a resounding no.

Do we keep our officials and law enforcement officers accountable? When surveillance is misused, does anyone even know, let alone prosecute? How difficult is it to misuse surveillance? How much transparency is built-in to how the surveillance is used? These are the questions we should be asking.

charcircuit 2 days ago||
>Flock doesn’t defend anyone from anything

Flock has caught criminals and has prevented further crimes from happening. This is something that cannot be denied. The existence of Flock has defended people, and it has provided value to society. Saying that Flock is a just technology company and police officers are just humans. That trivializes what these entities are doing in society.

>Nazi Germany would have killed many more Jews if flock had existed during that time.

Or they could have more efficiently got the Jews out of the Germany before things got to the point where things got more extreme. This could have resulted in fewer Jews dying.

>Do we keep our officials and law enforcement officers accountable?

I think AI will be a major boon to being able to audit such queries for irregularities. The fact you can have a relatively impartial system able to highlight things makes it harder to cover up things.

Arainach 2 hours ago||
> they could have more efficiently got the Jews out of the Germany before things got to the point where things got more extreme. This could have resulted in fewer Jews dying.

Wrap it up folks, we've officially reached the worst take on the internet.

This ignores all of history - this isn't how the Nazis operated then and isn't how fascists have ever worked. Forced eviction and taking property is still a crime against humanity, and it's not like other countries were welcoming large numbers of jews with open arms.

468854259853 3 days ago|||
Are you a good person?
tarpitt 3 days ago||
good enough