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Posted by maharshi365 1 day ago

MCP was always a bad idea?(maharship.com)
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simonw 1 day ago|
This article entirely misses the value that MCP brings today.

Sure, there's almost no reason to use MCPs if you are running a full-blown terminal agent (Claude Code, Codex, Meta Muse, OpenClaw etc) with unfettered internet access - just let it call APIs directly.

If you want to operate something that's less YOLO than that, you'll find yourself wanting:

1. Control over exactly which external services it can access

2. A way to handle authentication that doesn't allow the agent to directly access API keys

3. A sensible UI to allow users to connect and authenticate further services

4. Strong audit logging for what's going on

MCP makes all of that so much easier to provide.

Thinking MCP is obsolete because full coding agents don't need it misses out on all of the other things we might want to build.

prescriptivist 1 day ago||
Couldn't agree more. MCP is just Tool Use and the terminal agents all have embedded tool uses like WebSearch, Bash, Grep, etc and those are just MCP by another name. CLI's called by a model are just Bash Tool usage calls. Bash tool is just the most open ended broad MCP you can expose and what you gain is less context bloat (no specialized tool descriptions, just Bash) and what you lose is control over the agent -- until you setup a rigorous set of governing permissions on the Bash Tool.

I have a fleet of sandboxed Claude Code instances running and they share files with each other. The files are stored on AWS but they don't have access to AWS at all -- they can't see the access keys. In fact they don't know the files are on AWS. Instead they have a set of MCP tools for listing/uploading/downloading from an internal, virtual filesystem with a special URI handler (ie agentfiles://somefile.json) and the outer orchestrator of the Claude Code instances takes the MCP requests and does the actual file manipulation on Claude's behalf. The LLM seems to adapt quite well to this strange, arbitrary filesystem and I get to keep these agents fully compartmentalized. And I have tool request logs and logs in the outer orchestrator for full auditing of the agents. MCP is a really natural fit for this kind of stuff.

kaoD 20 hours ago|||
> MCP is just Tool Use

I wish. https://modelcontextprotocol.io/specification/2026-07-28

simonw 19 hours ago||
The spec describes Resources, Prompts, Tools, and Elicitation.

In practice, I believe Tools represent 95%+ of what people actually use MCP for. I've not seen an MCP with Resources or Prompts that seems to have widespread use of those features, and I don't think I've ever seen anything implement Elicitation.

zahlman 1 day ago|||
> what you gain is less context bloat (no specialized tool descriptions, just Bash)

Couldn't they train the understanding of a specific tool set directly into the model instead of needing it to be in context? Like isn't that basically what happens now with the Bash tool?

Is there a reason we need to rely on such a high level of access for something that should really only ever be cleaning up the project directory, hitting the 'Run Test' button and authoring some Git commits?

blitzar 1 day ago||
Perhaps a little out of date now, but I found claude was better (trained?) with the gh command line than with the github mcp. For a $corp internal tool ... I don't really see how and LLM would be able to be trained on it.
socketcluster 1 day ago|||
MCP definitely has its niche in certain environments. It's good for a specific kind of constrained problem; not so constrained that you could solve the problem with just Node.js + fetch call to LLM API but not so open that you'd want to let the AI agent directly invoke any service it wants over the web. The latter is what happens if you give the agent access to curl.

Though I agree with OP's point of view that MCP was overhyped for too many use cases. Complex agent-system integration problems are usually better solved with just AI agent + curl + SKILL.md. It's just way more flexible.

It's another variant of the 'fat client/thin server vs thin client/fat server' debate. Some people want rigid, thin (e.g. web-based) frontends with the LLM doing work in secret behind the scenes. Others want fat, versatile frontends through which the LLM can interact with the user's own environment.

I've always been a fat client guy and this time is no exception. I doubt the constrained approach is going to lead ground-breaking innovation. I also wish companies would treat SKILL.md + curl as the main mechanism for agent tool calling as opposed to MCP. MCP is niche.

anon84873628 22 hours ago||
That niche environment is all SaaS-to-SaaS integrations. The client doesn't want to have users struggling to get every integration working on their platform. The service providers don't want to have to support non-standarized behavior by every client.
jwr 1 day ago|||
> there's almost no reason to use MCPs if you are running a full-blown terminal agent

I disagree. Adding "https://mcp.linear.app/mcp" and having everything happen (discovery, usage, updates to the API, etc) without having to install or configure anything else locally is a big deal.

shibel 1 day ago||
Funny you mention Linear’s specifically, I just posted about moving to a CLI instead because of the MCP’s egregious token-usage [1]. While this doesn’t discount the points you mentioned, I think the context savings (which can be huge, I hadn’t listed all differences in that post) outweigh them specifically in Linear’s case. It is just too inefficient in that regard.

Edit: this of course says nothing about MCP vs API/CLI in general. It’s just a bad implementation by Linear.

1: https://thebiglog.com/links/linear-cli-instead-of-linear-mcp

w0m 1 day ago||
This surprises me a bit. I've found much better token usage with a proper/efficient MCP as even with a deep /skill defining usage, parsing MCP results is generally just better/more efficient than parsing CLI results. I say this having written a CLI tool explicitly for harness usage, and leveraging MCPs for the same.

I'm sure there are bad MCPs and great CLI tools that parse poorly/well via harness, but I'd be curious on an better research study.

shibel 1 day ago|||
Your comment doesn’t contradict mine and mine doesn’t contradict yours. Linear’s MCP is just (very?) inefficient. I explain the source of the difference in the last two paragraphs.
estetlinus 22 hours ago|||
How much are using Linear if token usage is a problem? Sounds like a case of straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.
rsolva 1 day ago|||
Exactly, in our company, we have built MCPs that simplifies interactions with internal tools we use a lot, which saves time and tokens. Sure, we could let the agent poke and fumble around with a not-so-ideal API too, but it makes sense to formalize it and give the agents quick access to what we want it to fetch 99% of the time.
deadbabe 1 day ago|||
The simplified interactions are how it should have been designed in the first place.
yorwba 1 day ago||
It's difficult to come up with the optimal workflow on the first try. So an API should typically start out flexible even at the expense of complexity, in order to enable experimentation, and then you can optimize to make the common case simple, once you know what the common case is.
jimbokun 23 hours ago||
Sure but that common case should go into the core APIs, not an MCP.
dominotw 23 hours ago||
agreed lots of ppl writing mcp as a lipstick on the pig.
rsolva 20 hours ago|||
MCP is exactly the lipstick we needed to put on our pigs, APIs that is not ours, but open source tools we use internally and also wanted to expose to our agents.
cindyllm 18 hours ago||
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lazyasciiart 22 hours ago|||
Yea my company is willing to pour money into an MCP but has concretely resisted attempts to improve or care about the API for years.
0x445442 1 day ago|||
What interactions with internal tools? If you can answer that question then the clankers can help you write a deterministic program for that same interaction and you only spend the tokens once.
Sayrus 1 day ago|||
Retrieving messages from Slack over MCP allows a shared read-only bot account accessible from the web browser and CLI. Setup is automated so users can just ask Claude to read them and do something.

Sharing Slack with Claude:

- Using the "normal" way, it shares too much, including privates messages.

- Using your own token, it doesn't work with Claude.AI or Cowork and requires you to go to slack.com to generate an application, tokens and more.

- Using a shared token, now you need context to tell Claude to retrieve it. It still doesn't work for non-Claude Code workflows. Rotation may break currently running workflows.

0x696C6961 1 day ago||||
Yeah that's a good idea. Then we should standardize these tools and find an easy way for agents to discover and use them. ... Oh wait
mjmas 1 day ago|||
And call it not-closed API or something like that.
jimbokun 23 hours ago||||
Congrats you just invented the Unix shell!
0x445442 1 day ago|||
Just tell the clanker to read the api documentation that should already exist. You dont need an MCP server for that.
jimbokun 23 hours ago||||
Yes, having LLMs write deterministic programs is still an under used solution.

Less token spend, lower latency, more predictable results compared to having the LLM perform the task directly every time.

lanstin 1 day ago||||
Yeah. Like I had Claude code write an upload Slab script, and a few linear integration scripts, now it just runs these to interact with those systems. I had it write a redshift proxy that doesn’t take login creds and is just a logging read only account but it can just write sql to research to its hearts content (some columns hashed on replies) and I don’t need much trust but I get a lot of good analysis and verification done.
piva00 1 day ago||||
I've been doing this myself but it's been extremely hard to get buy-in from the rest of the org. They keep churning MCPs for deterministic interactions while I have tons of little tools written by clankers, not only for clanker-use but also for my own use when needed.

Best of both worlds in my view.

locknitpicker 1 day ago|||
> If you can answer that question then the clankers can help you write a deterministic program for that same interaction and you only spend the tokens once.

The MCP is the deterministic program.

You need to take a step back and look at the problem you're discussing. What's exactly this MCP thing? It's a protocol to allow agents and coding assistants to access tools, services, and data sources, through a standardized interface.

It's the interface for your deterministic program. That's it.

8note 1 day ago|||
they were suggesting that you take the agent out of the run time tool usage
locknitpicker 1 day ago|||
> they were suggesting that you take the agent out of the run time tool usage

That only applies if you are talking about a well established recurrent workflow. That's not how MCPs are used to begin with.

themgt 1 day ago|||
It's easier if you started a while back shunning all human labor (including your own) in favor of fully deterministic systems. Reality is deterministic so your company or project logically can be run off a single compiled binary with formal verification of correctness for every possible scenario.
jimbokun 23 hours ago||
Heisenberg begs to differ with your view of reality.
shwaj 18 hours ago||
So does Gödel. Maybe it was a joke? Unclear.
jimbokun 23 hours ago|||
A protocol is not a program.
0x696C6961 1 day ago|||
Even if your agent has internet access, why waste tokens having it re-discover and re-implement its own API client each time? It doesn't make any sense.
hypercube33 1 day ago|||
For me, I have a service that has multiple vectors of what would be called an API - PowerShell Modules, WMI, RESTFUL Web Services, some are available, some can do some things, some are more direct, some are not allowed with enterprise security etc.

Either way, I don't do what you suggest. I have self-learning rules and have the models build a well-rounded API engine once, then re-use it with query scripts through skills. Its portable and flexible in many environments.

0x696C6961 12 hours ago||
No one is saying to wrap your local power shell modules in an MCP. That would be pointless and stupid.
marcelo-earth 1 day ago||||
This is my favorite position, the advantage of an MCP tends to lie more in token optimization.
athrowaway3z 17 hours ago|||
In what way?

Not sure whats the norm nowadays, but it used to be MCP descriptions were loaded in from the start.

In any case, to be cheaper the `cli --help` command needs to more noisy than the json description.

Finally, and the really big one: cli can be composed with `grep`, `jq` , etc.

deadbabe 1 day ago|||
On the contrary, you burn more tokens with MCP.
0x696C6961 1 day ago||
This is not true.
cowmix 1 day ago|||
I guess it depends on the implementations.

When I use the Atlassian CLI vs their MCP server, I tend to see something like half the token burn with the CLI with more accurate results.

That could be an Atlassian issue but that's the results I'm seeing.

dnautics 21 hours ago||
yeah MCP contains a provision for some blocktext for instructions. If your MCP has walls of text in those instructions, it will burn more tokens that a terse MCP.
dnautics 1 day ago|||
How do you think the LLM becomes aware of which mcps are available? Vibes?
0x696C6961 22 hours ago||
It depends on the harness. But most use a tool_search tool.
dnautics 21 hours ago||
yes and using that tool does what with tokens?
0x696C6961 16 hours ago|||
You seem confused.
jimbokun 23 hours ago||||
Did you know that computer programs, once written, can be stored to disk once and run many times?
nitwit005 19 hours ago|||
Sure, but if you have a staff of 10000, you're doing this 10000 times. Unless you share that in a common place, and now you're re-inventing the thing we're claiming not to need.
estetlinus 22 hours ago||||
I love the level of sassiness this debate brings forward in people
0x696C6961 22 hours ago|||
People like you can't seem to comprehend that there are use-cases other than your little local claude code workflow.
mexicocitinluez 1 day ago|||
> re-implement its own API client each time

Is using curl considered re-implementing your own api client each time?

0x696C6961 1 day ago||
Making the model use curl is even stupider. It still needs to do the same amount of work to lookup and understand the API contracts (assuming those are even public). But now it also needs to juggle the auth flows and marshalling at the tool call level.
mexicocitinluez 22 hours ago||
You said ""re-implements an API client" which means you either don't know what curl is or don't know what an api client is. So I'd chill on calling things "stupider" when you don't have a strong grasp on the words you're using.
0x696C6961 16 hours ago|||
In your mind, is netcat also an API client? When normal people talk about api clients, they're referring to an sdk or a cli which provides a simpler interface for a specific API.
mexicocitinluez 13 hours ago||
You're not implying netcat and curl are synonymous are you?

And When "normal" people talk about api clients? lol This site is wild.

0x696C6961 2 hours ago||
Alright dude ... Either you have major comprehension issues or you're arguing in bad faith. But I'm done responding to you.
sophacles 22 hours ago|||
What is "implementing".... I'd define it as "figuring out the workflow, and storing it in a way that allows reuse". This could be a program written in assembly, or rust, or even python. Or it could be a shell script that calls curl. Or it could just be a set of tokens in the current session. Outside of the computer it could even be a set of processes people do, or a mechanical device.

If it's just a set of tokens in the current session, well then next session it has to figure out the workflow, and then store it in a way to use in the next session.

Seems like maybe you should take your own advice.

mexicocitinluez 20 hours ago||
How does the definition of "implementing" change the fact that curl quite literally is an api client? It's an implemented api client.

> Seems like maybe you should take your own advice.

Seems like maybe if you have to use your own custom definition of a word in order to support a point you might not have one. lol.

sophacles 17 hours ago||
Nonsense, curl is a tool for executing a single http request.

Many apis require several requests to get things done. (one to auth, one or more to fecth resource ids, one or more to modify resources, etc).

That would be a series of curl calls with logic applied to the output of each call to curl. An api client just does those things in a single function call. The steps are the same, but in one case the AI has to figure out each curl call and implement the logic, rather than just call the function.

mexicocitinluez 13 hours ago||
lol Id say the nonsense is tying multiple calls to the definition of an api client.

Irony died in this comment thread.

sophacles 1 hour ago||
By your logic 'ls' is a file manager, 'grep' is a search engine, and 'echo $X >> /proc/sys/$Y' is a settings manager.

It makes sense though. It's the same logic that allows you to say promting an AI with "do a simple thing for me" makes you a programmer, and prompting an AI with "what is an api" allows makes you knowledgable about computers.

seanhunter 1 day ago|||
Exactly. There are so many replies here of the form “MCP sucks. If you just do <all the things mcp does a different way> you don’t need mcp at all.”

Well yes.

mikeocool 1 day ago|||
I think the point of those comments is this could have been much simpler for everyone if the model providers had given us some tools around existing standards.

Instead they invented something new/weird/complex standard, and then every client implemented slightly differently (and different parts of it).

lelanthran 1 day ago|||
> Exactly. There are so many replies here of the form “MCP sucks. If you just do <all the things mcp does a different way> you don’t need mcp at all.”

See my previous reply to simonw elsethread.

It's not "If you just do <all the things mcp does a different way> you don’t need mcp at all", it's that many of us were already doing that in a CLI prior to LLMs. You think only github and amazon had CLI clients?

pragma_x 1 day ago|||
As someone who has never used MCP, or allowed an AI to directly talk to APIs, putting something between a model and a service just seems like common sense. If nothing else, it presents an opportunity to tightly control what the AI is allowed to do with external services, especially if the MCP code is outside of the AI's context. I would go as far as to say it's a necessary security measure.
jimbokun 23 hours ago|||
The service itself needs to control what the agent can access.

Relying on an intermediary to provide access controls, and that agents will never access the service directly, seems dangerous and naive.

anon84873628 22 hours ago|||
And it's easy for the service to do that by hosting a remote MCP server.
Tractor8626 20 hours ago||||
Agent doesn't have api key to access service directly
jayd16 22 hours ago|||
What? Why? More is more but you're arguing a security proxy is a dangerous and naive pattern?
jimbokun 10 hours ago||
What’s the advantage of MCP over a regular old security proxy?
ActorNightly 19 hours ago||||
The better solution for security is sandbox execution. Most agents used in practice, if given terminal access, can find ways to get around most of the MCP restrictions.
dominotw 23 hours ago|||
well if you realease an api you should make sure its usable for ai out of box without 'something in between'. You should always assume ai might be directly calling your api.
Tractor8626 20 hours ago|||
Ai can't use any api out of box. It requires thing called "harness" to use anything.
anamexis 20 hours ago|||
And if you don't have a public API, you should always assume AI will be using your UI, reverse engineering your private API, and driving it directly.
cruffle_duffle 20 hours ago||
I absolutely love when they do that unprompted. I once asked a Claude work agent to go pull comparable apartment listings and somehow it’s subagent reverse engineered like rentcafe or whatever’s private API to get the data. All unprompted.

So yes. Absolutely assume AI agents acting on behalf of their humans are finding all the token efficient ways to get at your sites data.

jimbokun 23 hours ago|||
I feel like this would build a false sense of security.

Authentication and access controls must be able to withstand an agent with full shell access. And auditing must be on the server side to provide a full picture of all activity from all clients, whether human or agent.

We must treat agents as clever humans and secure and audit data access accordingly. The era of thinking we can handle agent access to sensitive information differently from human access has passed.

simonw 22 hours ago|||
My point about MCPs here is that they provide a way to make those secrets and API keys deterministically inaccessible to the agents - even agents that's have a shell execution environment.

That's the opposite of a false sense of security.

mjburgess 22 hours ago|||
just use an api gateway (ie., a reverse proxy for apis), eg., envoy. This should also be connected to observability and finops style management anyway rather than leaving it to model providers.
woodpanel 9 hours ago|||
I noticed the security aspect to be one of the main selling points in corporations for going MCP (and one aspect that is underrepresented here).

However, maybe I'm missing something but how is defining access rights in an application layer the agent has access to more secure than defining the access rights at the target application itself?

Sure, hiding the filesystem via encapsulation tricks is one way to go. But what is the real-world usage-style of this vs. all MCP usages? I'd wager 1-10% are spending this extra effort, while 90% of users basically run shims so that they can expose APIs to their LLMs, for which they have no/bad access rights management.

brabel 22 hours ago|||
Without tools LLMs can do nothing more than emit text. You are probably assuming a harness is provided to the LLM with shell access but that is absolutely not necessary for LLM usage depending on the use case. For interesting stuff, you do want to provide some tools, but nothing with the power of a terminal if you are worried about security. A MCP server is perfect to securely provide the LLM with some controlled power exactly because it can do nothing at all other than call tools that go through the MCP server and can therefore be scrutinized, audited and ensure credentials are not visible to the LLM.
lelanthran 1 day ago|||
> This article entirely misses the value that MCP brings today.

Well, me too. I see the only advantage over a CLI app being an agreed-upon convention for syntax (not semantics).

I have a CLI interface to my webapp, not an MCP.

> If you want to operate something that's less YOLO than that, you'll find yourself wanting:

> 1. Control over exactly which external services it can access

Access control is not built into my CLI, it's built into the WebApp.

> 2. A way to handle authentication that doesn't allow the agent to directly access API keys

My CLI takes credentials from the environment, which it uses to talk to endpoints. The caller sets the environment, then calls the CLI program. The caller provides no way for anyone sending it input (the Model) to request or retrieve environment variables.

> 3. A sensible UI to allow users to connect and authenticate further services

The parts of my WebApp that relays or re-requests to other third-party services handles access control.

> 4. Strong audit logging for what's going on

Not sure what this is supposed to mean: the WebApp already has auditing logs.

> MCP makes all of that so much easier to provide.

Sure; I'm considering writing a purely deterministic shim for MCP around my CLI. The semantic/information is the same, the only difference is syntactical in nature.

> Thinking MCP is obsolete because full coding agents don't need it misses out on all of the other things we might want to build.

It may as well be; coding agents are at one end of the control spectrum - run in bash, do anything/everything (so they can leak credentials to the model, or the harness). But a CLI app doesn't have to allow bash. My "harness" (using the term very loosely) can securely call other programs without giving its own caller a RCE via bash.

simonw 1 day ago||
So you've built your own agent harness that allows the model to call only your CLI but doesn't allow the model to run "env" and view the environment variables itself?

Sounds to me like MCP with a slightly different interface.

lelanthran 1 day ago||
> So you've built your own agent harness that allows the model to call only your CLI but doesn't allow the model to run "env" and view the environment variables itself?

Yes, with the difference being it can call other CLIs, just not arbitrary CLIs.

> Sounds to me like MCP with a slightly different interface.

It is, except that it is not limited to being called from harnesses. Also usable from bash (automated scripts), or even humans if hey want to run it on the command-line.

TBH, my webapp(s) had this prior to 2020, because it made automation simpler so I could write shell scripts to do various things on the WebApp.

simonw 1 day ago||
I did end up building my own CLI for calling MCPs, mainly to better understand the protocol but also to make them easier for me to interactively debug: https://github.com/simonw/mcp-explorer
ramoz 21 hours ago|||
Even for coding agents. MCP is the only unified interface INTO harnesses. This pattern has not struck yet for most, but will soon in the coming months given the MCP spec. MCP has been about models calling tools., it is about to become some form of inverse and MCP will be the only actual way to integrate into the models. Simple example is sending an event to the model (today models have to poll)... these coming updates will cement MCP as permanent infrastructure.
anon84873628 22 hours ago|||
The article also doesn't contemplate the "skill distribution problem" which will be addressed by skills-over-mcp.

With the plain ol' API solution, you still need some way for agents to fetch the instructions provided by the service. Of course there are answers for this, but they are not standardized.

With MCP, all you have to do is provide the harness with a single URL and all context can be bootstrapped the same way for every service.

mikeocool 1 day ago|||
All of these things are perfectly possible with a plain REST API with an Open API spec and using some standard auth options, and an AI client that implements a reasonable “make api request tool” (just like the AI clients implement MCP today).

I think the real value of MCP is that it allowed companies to say “we’re doing AI!” When they built an MCP server. Just saying “use our api” was a lot less exciting.

Giving it a different name probably also helped cut through politics at companies where non-technical people didn’t want to open up user data with an API, but they did want to do AI.

simonw 1 day ago|||
Hah, I made that same point last December: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Dec/31/the-year-in-llms/#the-...

> For a while it also felt like MCP was a convenient answer for companies that were under pressure to have “an AI strategy” but didn’t really know how to do that.

I've since come back to MCPs, because I want to build my own agents without first having to solve the problem of effectively sandboxing Bash.

mikeocool 1 day ago|||
Yeah, from a design perspective MCP upsets me, because it’s a poorly designed standard and creating a good one could have been much easier.

But you’re right, since clients don’t have a nicely sandboxed “make api request” tool, it’s basically the way to go for a lot of use cases.

rsalus 1 day ago||
I think the new 07-28 spec is quite decent
jimbokun 23 hours ago||||
Understood but it seems like effectively sandboxing cash is a very very important problem for the industry to solve!

Would be a much more robust and general solution of the problem of controlling and auditing agentic access to sensitive information.

tadfisher 18 hours ago||
It's such an important problem that it is sucking all available VC money into an exponentially-growing number of startups promising to make sandboxed agents safe and usable. In other news, MCP exists.
jimbokun 10 hours ago||
Honest question: which startups are trying to write a sandboxed-by-default easy to configure bash meant to be safely used by agents?
tadfisher 10 hours ago||
It's not "bash", it's containers/VMs/whatever that are isolated from the host and run the agent, which can access a shell to do work.
agentdev001 1 day ago||||
"without first having to solve the problem of effectively sandboxing Bash"

Hopefully this is easier as time goes on. Of course- also policy on the egress

JambalayaJimbo 21 hours ago||||
What do you mean by sandboxing bash? Isn’t this about just having a tool like curl or Postman?

Implanting an MCP client in your agent code isn’t all that different from calling requests or whatever

simonw 20 hours ago||
I mean the ability to have an agent run commands in a Bash shell without allowing them access to any file or environment variable visible to the user on that computer, and without allowing them uncontrolled internet access.
JambalayaJimbo 16 hours ago||
Program specific permissions (separate from the user operating them) are part of the Linux permissioning system already right? That doesn’t seem like an issue to me.

I guess the main problem would be finding an API client that can easily plug into your harness, with a nice UI for turning specific APIs on and off.

indymike 1 day ago||||
MCP is one of those things that is "too good enough".
otabdeveloper4 1 day ago|||
> without first having to solve the problem of effectively sandboxing Bash

"Sandboxing bash" is a problem that has been solved a zillion years ago already. Take your pick of any of the dozens of battle-proven solutions.

simonw 1 day ago|||
Which solution do you recommend?

Bonus points if it's available on both macOS and Linux and doesn't come from a random unmaintained GitHub repository with a note in the README that says "don't run this in production".

Sohcahtoa82 20 hours ago|||
"Battle-proven" until an LLM decides it really needs to escape the sandbox you put it in and eventually succeeds.

For personal work, I run Codex in a VM that contains only what's necessary to do software development. Could it escape the VM? Sure, if there's a zero-day in VMWare Workstation.

Yeah, I'm using a pile driver when I really probably just need a hammer, but I've seen too many horror stories, and I don't trust guard rails. Even if there was an option to limit Bash calls to read-only operations, I would be 0% surprised to eventually run into "You're absolutely right! `rm -rf / --no-preserve-root` was a write operation! That's totally on me."

blitzar 1 day ago||||
> For a while it also felt like MCP was a convenient answer for companies that were under pressure to have “an AI strategy” but didn’t really know how to do that.

MCP was a convenient answer for companies that had spent the last few years shutting down APIs because allowing API access bad.

what-the-grump 1 day ago||||
Pretty much, MCP is still a bad idea.

LLMs perform significantly better and faster when you strap them to plain old apis/and an open api spec with a search tool.

My current MCP design is… grab a fastapi spec shove it into fastmcp, shallow wrapper, search tool for the full schema.

Oh boy so exciting I just wrapped an api spec for no reason and have to host infra for the translation layer. If only we invented api gateways.

But I am Mr. AI now.

isbvhodnvemrwvn 1 day ago||
How do you handle credentials safely?
SgtBastard 1 day ago||
Just leak them to the inference providers, obviously /s

If you have self hosted models and/or self hosted APIs, maybe you don’t need MCP to provide a gateway to a secure resource.

If neither of those things are true, you need an authenticating gateway/proxy or a target API that supports single use credentials (and get the model to generate a call to use them).

We can argue whether MCP is a good authenticating middle layer, but not whether one is required.

jimbokun 23 hours ago||
What about just handing the agent a token with limited time to live and constrained access permissions?
rgbrgb 1 day ago|||
it's mostly true but the mcp also installs the knowledge of that REST API in a standard way so that a user can ask "what's projected revenue this month?" and it'll know how to hit your company brain and answer
jimbokun 23 hours ago||
Or just write good API docs that humans can use too.
rgbrgb 19 hours ago||
most users i'm dealing with are not doc-reading developers. even getting them to tell claude to use tool X is pretty hit or miss whereas claude already knowing what tool to use is 100% hit with correct mcp tool descriptions.
kaoD 22 hours ago|||
All of that can be solved in better ways than MCP. 1+2+4 belongs to sandboxing. 3 to sandbox UIs. Ideally baked into the next generation OSs.

MCP is the wrong abstraction for all of that. Skills are better as pluggable interfaces, and I predict[0] chat and agentic loops will converge eventually (Anthropic already did this correctly; OpenAI, it's your turn) and skills marketplace will replace MCP in its current form.

I see value in MCP, but it feels like a stopgap/stepping stone.

[0] Where "predict" = "hope". The best solutions are often not the winners.

tacoooooooo 21 hours ago||
Skills are adjacent to MCP. They do not cover the same surface, in anyway. I don't understand this argument at all (and I see lots of people making it, so enlighten me)

I want my agent to be able to convert reliably between timezones. A skill does not solve this. It needs a deterministic tool it can call

kaoD 21 hours ago||
Skills are not only Markdown files. I often structure my skills as small Python scripts and the actual Markdown is only the skill front matter and maybe some brief documentation. You can even stick an OpenAPI schema or whatever you see fit.

If you often need timezone conversion, sounds like a `timezones` skill exposing a few lines in a Python script. Boom. No MCP needed. No server needed. It's just files, all the way down. If you find yourself operating with dates a lot maybe you need a `datetime` skill wrapping a bunch of tiny scripts. Fully deterministic, cheap on tokens, and you can even run them without an agent (shocking nowadays :P)

As I identify repetitive actions I add (Claude adds) new scripts to the Skill to save tokens in the future, whereas MCP I'm at the mercy of the server provider. E.g. I have a Magic the Gathering skill with a bunch of tools to retrieve card databases, simulate hands, get card images...

This article enlightened me: https://mariozechner.at/posts/2025-11-02-what-if-you-dont-ne...

This is why I don't feel Skills are orthogonal. They feel like MCP on steroids since the scripts can be composed with Bash et al (huge battle-tested ecosystem, plenty in the training set)... and you don't need crappy abstractions like "resources" (yes, that's a thing in MCP) when the agent has a shell and a filesystem.

I've used this pattern to great success. Nowadays I just share these `.skill` packages with my friends (I think they're just a fancy ZIP file?)

The only thing missing for me is credentials and sandboxing (see my GP post). I have my own ideas on how to solve this (and some of that Claude in cloud already solves for me), but it's not easy (which is how MCP won).

tacoooooooo 20 hours ago||
> If you often need timezone conversion, sounds like a `timezones` skill exposing a few lines in a Python script. Boom. No MCP needed. No server needed

okay, but now my agent needs a coding environment / sandbox.

MCP (or tool use in general) solves this without that (extremely tenuous and expensive to do at scale in prd) requirement.

The skill is totally orthogonal here--solving a totally separate problem

kaoD 20 hours ago||
I guess someone could expose the coding environment via MCP.
tacoooooooo 20 hours ago||
They could and code execution is actually exposed to the model as a tool!

But if im running a customer support agent at scale, i'm not sure I want it to be able to write code. I do know I need it to be able to convert timezones though. (its also far more expensive / token inefficient to have it write code each time to convert timezones rather to use a predefined tool I made an know works)

kaoD 20 hours ago||
> token inefficient to have it write code

It does not write code. It just calls my tool.

But I see your other points though.

adverbly 1 day ago|||
> MCP makes all of that so much easier to provide.

Easier being the key!

Right now it really does feel like early web days where like 5% of the population is adopting things, but most people just get confused and don't participate.

This is why I'm pretty excited about WebMCP in particular!

WebMCP aligns more stakeholders than pure MCP - which seems heavily biased towards model providers. It also seems like it has the potential for a much cleaner ux.

paper2d 18 hours ago|||
Agree. MCP also helps in some esoteric use cases like interacting with legacy windows applications over COM. I created an MCP for Outlook 2019 desktop version and COM was the most straightforward way to let my agent interact with my mails for classification.
miguelspizza 22 hours ago|||
The article misses the point of MCP but he is not wrong that it was a mistake (in some ways)

The mistake of MCP was building it in such a way that it needed to be on a separate process from the API. The statefullness of MCP was such a massive detour for the industry that we will be cleaning up after it for years.

Now that MCP is stateless we can start building what is actually useful: extending API’s for agents.

When people ask me if they should do MCP today, I say absolutely. But because the Oauth protocol side of MCP is very good and is a net positive for all public API’s

This is not a dig at MCP, the original vision of MCP was much different from how the community used it.

cruffle_duffle 21 hours ago||
> The statefullness of MCP was such a massive detour for the industry that we will be cleaning up after it for years.

I remember discovering this when i wrote my first MCP server. It was like "huh? why would they do that? what use case did they have in mind?". We've spent decades making "internet shit" as stateless as possible on the backend because making it stateful is expensive and complex if you want to have any reasonable scalability. I mean good luck trying to host a stateful service on any kind of commodity serverless "scale-to-zero" infrastructure here in 2026.

Maybe it's because these AI-labs are used to statefulness. I mean LLM-based sessions are hugely stateful if you want any kind of reasonable caching to happen and caching is the only way you can economically scale out LLM's. Seen from that perspective it kind of makes sense why they'd look at MCP and think "hey, why not make this stateful on the backend as well". Statefullness just part of their DNA.

ransom1538 2 hours ago|||
MCPs just misses what AI is. If you think MCP is a good idea you are confused what is going on. AI is beyond MCP. MCP is SOAP of AI.
baalimago 1 day ago|||
In essence: MPC servers are the sandbox
jimbokun 23 hours ago||
True but a pretty shitty sandbox and we need a less leaky and more general sandbox solution ASAP.
everforward 15 hours ago|||
I've taken to sandboxing my entire agent in a Docker container. I wrote a tool that pretends to be an ACP client but is actually making Docker containers, copying files I specified in, bind-mounting, etc, and then proxying ACP via websocket to an agent in the container (except the ACP terminal/FS commands, those happen in the container).

It works well, though there is some leakiness around paths. I opted to make it place/mount files at the same path as on the host so paths are the same (as opposed to manipulating the ACP messages to modify paths on the fly, that felt messy and buggy).

Configurable networking is on my list for the future, but I haven't decided whether to start with IP-level firewalls or if it's better to start with a proxy and firewall rules to force traffic to it. IP firewalls suck for APIs that might have semi-dynamic IPs.

[1] https://github.com/SethCurry/abyss

baalimago 22 hours ago|||
>pretty shitty sandbox

Well, speak for yourself. My MCP servers are pretty solid.

There's nothing in the protocol making them inherently poor other than perhaps popularity, causing a swarm of people vibe-coding things they don't understand.

barrkel 1 day ago|||
A CLI doing all this is still a better UI for the agent though.
pixlmint 1 day ago|||
What if I don't want my agent to have terminal access though? I get the feeling many people here simply never worked with smaller models, those will confuse cli args really quickly once context expands, and then you have no idea what damage they might do. With MCP's, they get just the access they actually need. Is the Principle of least privilege just not something we want to apply anymore?
barrkel 1 day ago||
CLIs, run in a sandbox as tight as your preferred choosing, live in an ecosystem, where, via pipes and redirection, input and output can be easily manipulated. An agent can do similar things but more laboriously (and less token efficiently) via Python or similar but it would still live in a sandbox somewhere.

Going without the sandbox means hobbling the LLM. It can do things directly but is less able to construct ad-hoc programs to deal with looping, conditionality, tame verbosity, connect tools together, and so on.

It's a choice to not give the LLM an environment. As you say, it can be necessary if you're using dumb models. I don't find it particularly worth the trade most of the time.

pixlmint 1 day ago||
If not even OpenAI can properly box in their models I definitely won't trust myself to do so with the very limited time available to me, and instead just use a standard that's already defined, and proven to work.
barrkel 4 hours ago||
By OpenAI, I presume you mean Irregular - these guys https://www.irregular.com/about ?

These guys are the common factor, the guys running the evals that let all the AI agents out, it looks like.

viccis 1 day ago||||
What if the agent doesn't have a CLI?
barrkel 1 day ago||
You hobble the expressiveness of the LLM and reduce its capability.

Think of an agentic harness as like a kind of body for the LLM. It gives it primitive inputs (read_file, web_search or whatever) and primitive outputs (edit file, respond to user, etc). Give it a command line environment (in a locked down sandbox, with as few or as many tools as you prefer), and you've given it a toolbox. It can do a whole lot more, faster and more efficiently. It can compose tools together. It makes fewer transcription errors manually shifting data around. It can tame verbosity with good protections in the harness and access to grep, sed and awk.

It's really up to you how useful you want your agent to be.

viccis 20 hours ago||
Yeah but you're still assuming it's running on someone's machine with a CLI to even use.
barrkel 4 hours ago||
Someone can be OpenAI/Anthropic/whomever.

If you don't have something running somewhere, you don't have an agent, you don't have a harness. You've got a token generator, an LLM from the 2024 era.

0x696C6961 1 day ago|||
What does that even mean?
bdangubic 1 day ago||
totally makes no sense. so weird after all this time people don’t “get” the value of MCPs, so weird
viccis 1 day ago|||
Exactly. A lot of people complaining about MCP are doing so because their only interactions with LLMs are via big batteries including code harnesses and don't understand what kind of (usually much more domain-specific) agentic systems are being built. For example, "CLI vs MCP" doesn't make any sense whatsoever if the agent doesn't have access to a CLI!

MCP suffers from its harebrained choice early on to load everything into context up front.

dnautics 1 day ago|||
The other problem with MCPs is that the harnesses don't auto-reconnect if you've enabled access. Connection status should be persistent
williamse 1 day ago|||
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visarga 19 hours ago|||
What matters is local server or not. Using a remote server means exposure.
podocarp 1 day ago|||
Still don't get what's the advantage over just adding a special API key or a wrapper cli or whatever mechanism that achieves all of that without being a "protocol" and with all the context bloat. Like the github cli is a good example. You give it proper auth keys etc. and for sure there's some telemetry in there about usage as well. If there isn't then it's easy to do from the api side too.

Even if you don't own the code or infra, like say a frontend team who wants models to test out the backend apis and do something. Well in that case how do regular devs do it? Do they also get unfettered access in the past? Surely there's still some mechanism you can repurpose for agents to use?

I'm not trying to argue I'm just saying I didn't catch on the first time mcp was a thing and I still don't know what it's doing now.

simonw 1 day ago||
If a full coding agent can access a CLI tool. that agent can almost certainly access the API keys being used by that tool. They can go as far as decompiling binaries, or rewriting them to log the key before it is used.

If you are worried about a prompt injected agent stealing your keys, that's a problem.

(There is a way around that: you can use an HTTP proxy that inserts those credentials but otherwise lives outside of the agent's realm of influence. MCP is a whole lot easier though.)

lelanthran 1 day ago|||
> If a full coding agent can access a CLI tool. that agent can almost certainly access the API keys being used by that tool.

So, don't do that then?

Why do you need to use a full coding agent as the interface between the model and the CLI tool?

A 10-line program can do the wrapping of any existing CLI program so that environment is not leaked to the model, while providing the CLI program with the environment as well as restricting what programs can be called to a whitelist.

If you CLI program is echoing its keys in the response, or the endpoint is echoing keys back, that's not a problem that can be solved with MCP anyway.

simonw 1 day ago||
So you're building a custom harness here that provides tools, and you're wiring up your custom harness to effectively do a subprocess execution of a CLI script for every tool call the model request?

One reason to switch to MCP here would be to avoid the overhead of forking a new process for every tool call, and to enable maintaining state between tool calls.

(That performance overhead is so trivial as to not be worth caring about, but the state thing may be useful - keeping a stateful browser session running between tool calls is harder with a CLI, for example.)

lelanthran 23 hours ago||
> So you're building a custom harness here that provides tools, and you're wiring up your custom harness to effectively do a subprocess execution of a CLI script for every tool call the model request?

Well, yeah. Subprocess execution is on the order of double-digit milliseconds. The "wiring up" is maintaining a whitelist of what tool commands map to which executable. It's a lookup table with very little maintenance required.

> One reason to switch to MCP here would be to avoid the overhead of forking a new process for every tool call, and to enable maintaining state between tool calls.

I feel like I am taking crazy pills :-/

The overhead of forking, on the ancient machine I call my desktop, is at most double-digit milliseconds. The state isn't being tracked by the MCP server anyway, it'll be tracked by the harness and/or the model, no?

My main reason for adding MCP support is so that existing callers that want to use my WebApp(s) can just use it without needing any changes on their side.

IOW, I am going to add it at some point, but not for the reasons you give. I'll add it to be compatible.

simonw 23 hours ago||
You didn't address my comment about state. If you're driving something like Playwright you need a way to maintain state between tool calls.

(Oddly enough I did solve that with my own CLI tool for running browsers during my "who needs MCP" phase, but it's a bit of a nasty hack that involves leaving files with PIDs lying around: https://github.com/simonw/rodney#directory-scoped-sessions and https://github.com/simonw/rodney/blob/a842432246f39775ccb14f...)

silbercue 20 hours ago||
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jimbokun 23 hours ago|||
Why not just give the agent a short lived token with limited access rights?

We have reached the point where we need to control agent access the same way we control human access to systems.

maharshi365 1 day ago|||
Were in a world where agents are more autonomous. Need stuff to be easier for agents and not humans
cbeach 23 hours ago|||
Also MCP allows exposition, which helps an autonomous agent understand the semantics of the API.

That's the killer feature from my PoV. I just point my agent at a URL and suddenly it knows when, why and how to use it.

jimbokun 23 hours ago||
Congratulations you reinvented man pages!
jrm4 1 day ago|||
Real hard to not think-

"This is a job for a CLI/terminal, which is absolutely a million times easier to learn today, thanks to AI."

Feels like MCP is still a product of -- well, "AI as a product" brain, which I have no love or use for. Give EVERYONE ALL the tools.

crooked-v 1 day ago||
So how do you make that CLI tool work in the context of a web client?
locknitpicker 1 day ago|||
> Sure, there's almost no reason to use MCPs if you are running a full-blown terminal agent (Claude Code, Codex, Meta Muse, OpenClaw etc) with unfettered internet access - just let it call APIs directly.

I don't think this is a valid statement too. I'll explain why.

A MCP server represents those APIs that agents and coding assistants can call.

If you feel a need to provide data and services to agents through an API and feel so strongly about it and so compelled to implement your own APIs with the express purpose of being consumed by your agents, wouldn't it make sense to develop an API that is designed purposely for agents using a protocol designed to meet their needs and simplify their work?

Because that's what MCP is all about.

Nowadays, with the improvements in tool-calling and the dissemination of agent skills, MCP's value proposition isn't as clear as back when those weren't a given. But once you face usecases to either centralize your tools across an organization, manage access, and be able to audit it's usage, right now there is no alternative to MCP.

jimbokun 23 hours ago||
Agents are perfectly capable of using the same APIs designed for humans.
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suroy 1 hour ago|||
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maharshi365 1 day ago||
1. Control can be done via CLIs --> api key based access controls. We have been doing it forever. 2. I think this really only applies to Oauth based MCPs. Many server support api key based auth, stored as files --> security is still flawed imo. 3. This can be done via apis/clis too --> not something unique to MCP iimo 4. Same thing, not unique to MCP --> api servers can also be logged

MCP doesn't inherently make this easier. its still requires engineering maintaincence.

nortirn 1 day ago||
Having a standard does make sense though, because it lets agent services handle external calls in a standard way. So, for example something like Anthropic's agent platform will proxy all MCP calls and hide the credentials so that you don't have to worry about the agent leaking secrets into code/logs/the internet. Of course you could build a similar layer to proxy traffic to various APIs, but it becomes easier to make the whole thing plug and play if everyone agrees on the shape of the API (MCP).
maharshi365 1 day ago||
i think standards are good for low level things. APIs change, model behvaiors change, we basically are allowing an external service provider to control our agent prompts.
docheinestages 1 day ago||
The premise of the article is that the Model Context Protocol (spelling it out to emphasize the core purpose) is inefficient in its current form. We can agree to that.

Now, does it mean agents don't need a protocol to connect to a server and discover its capabilities, tools, and distributed skills? I disagree.

> Agents with terminal access can replace most MCP servers

What should all other agents that don't have terminal access do?

berkes 1 day ago||
Aside from the actual protocol, it makes a lot of sense to have a standardized, discoverable protocol.

Because the alternative, as proposed in the article, is that an agent researches an API/CLI/UI, builds software to interact with it, and then runs that. Every time again. Not only very inefficient, it's unpredictable, and often slow.

Just last week I had an MCP that was down (my mistake) and the agent "decided" that in order to finish my request, it needed to create a python script, refactor that, debug that, and then use that, so it could access my notes (Joplin) over the API and write it's weekly update markdown there. Somehow the thread produced a python tool with over 400 lines of code, five files. It, at some point, even considered putting all that in a git repo. And went on a side-quest to run docker containers.

With the MCP, this job typically takes between $0.05 (Mistral) or $0.90 (Claude Opus). It now cost me $17.00. It took nearly 30 minutes. To write a note in Joplin!

MCPs, or any de-facto standard/pre-known protocol, makes operating on external tools and resources cheaper, faster and above all more predictable.

berkes 4 hours ago||
Follow up, because people asked me about it.

The scripts that were generated included code to determine if joplin was running, and to launch it if not. It included a proxy server, that would listen on a localhost:xxxx and if a HTTP request came in, this proxy would auto-launch joplin and then forward the request/response. It then included quite some code to de/serialize json to/from datatypes.

Part of this "overengineering" came from a "skill" that claude found globally which I wrote for myself when working on a few python tools. The skill required strict typing, demanded refactoring, insisted on doing everything over http (and not local commands).

Basically, the agent could not perform its task over an MCP and should've stopped. But I suspect either tuning or some system-prompt made claude go on instead. It decided to use python, and then found my "requirements for when writing python", followed that, and burned a lot of tokens to make one or two HTTP requests.

gmueckl 1 day ago|||
Also, terminal access is extremely powerful on its own. Why should an agent even get access to that? I see it as a potential violation of least privileges.
datsci_est_2015 1 day ago|||
Why trust any user with access to any terminal? UNIX solved this decades ago. It’s just we’re all learning to be sysadmins for the most creatively destructive and persistent set of users of all time.
gmueckl 1 day ago||
UNIX didn't really solve this scenario. Yes, you can limit what local files a user has access to. But with web applications and cloud services being so ubiquitous, the local boundaries are pretty much meaningless. Forcing an agent through an MCP is a way to grant access to remote services while still restricting how the network access can be used.
datsci_est_2015 20 hours ago||
Network administrators also solved these things, e.g. you can limit what websites a virtual machine is allowed to access.

Now, if you’re letting your agents abuse network traffic there becomes a point where you’re criminally liable. Unfortunately the current US government has no interest in prosecuting such abuse.

gmueckl 14 hours ago||
It's not so easy, because HTTPS thwarts attempts to filter out unwanted API calls, for example.
datsci_est_2015 1 hour ago||
Maybe I overestimate the ability for corporate network administrators to block and detect access to certain websites from within their networks, like adult websites. My understanding was that there’s no way to circumvent those network controls.
lelanthran 1 day ago|||
> Also, terminal access is extremely powerful on its own. Why should an agent even get access to that? I see it as a potential violation of least privileges.

When even the official software from the token providers have never had human eyes on 800kSLoC, I'm afraid that ship has sailed: the principle of least privileges has already been ravaged to hell and back.

Sealing a pin-prick hole in a dam wall is pointless if half the dam has already been washed away.

_heimdall 1 day ago|||
What you're describing, though, is that agents need a REST API. And I meant true REST rather than the JSON RPC APIs we've been building for 20+ years now.

Had we not abandoned REST we'd still have APIs that are self documenting and typed/schemaed. Bonus if browsers still supported XSLT, that same API could have been written in XML and only browsers wanting a visual representation would load HTML templates while agents could stick with the raw XML.

bastawhiz 1 day ago||
Sure, it needs a REST API. And you need docs for the API. Not just per endpoint but how to accomplish tasks with the API in the context of the application it supports.

But you don't want to just give any old agent raw curl access, so now you've got to provide a special client that can call just the APIs /endpoints that they're supposed to be able to. And it needs to know what the agent shouldn't be able to do as well. And it also needs to be able to handle things like auth, because you don't want the average person (or the agent!) handling bearer tokens. And you probably want a layer in between that validates everything against an OAS so the agent can't make invalid requests.

And now you've effectively just reinvented the good parts of MCP with extra tokens.

_heimdall 1 day ago||
You're starting too recent though. MCP is attempting to recreate the good parts of REST APIs circa 25 years ago.

Soap was a pain and a lot of people didn't like XML, but they solved exactly these problems.

With MCP we're effectively trying to bolt those features onto a platform that fundamentally doesn't support it. Where as with XML/XSLT we could have a single XML endpoint + XSLT templates for converting that into HTML for browsers. Instead we now have modern web frameworks building RPC calls right into the bundle/build step, splitting state and rendering across both client and server, and have to stand up a new API context for agents that needs documentation and maintenance to keep parity with new features.

bastawhiz 23 hours ago||
This isn't a problem that existed 25 years ago. You could expose SOAP and give an agent WSDL. You could give it OpenAPI and JSON. That's just not the problem.

Agents emit tool calls as JSON. Calling a REST API means emitting a JSON tool call that invokes a HTTP client with all the desirable properties (schema checking, safe auth) and none of the undesirable ones (raw key handling, arbitrary endpoint access). Then the response gets wrapped in JSON and returned to the LLM. That's not an MCP thing, that's a model thing.

MCP says "instead of http_post with a bunch of arguments that need to be correct, call get_weather with a zip code". And then it makes principled choices for how get_weather and its schema is defined. That's literally the whole point.

Even if you wanted to use WSDL to accomplish this, you either have to unwind how literally every function calling implementation of every model works today and teach them how to read WSDL and speak XML (and deal with all the other problems, like auth), or you avoid the two layers of indirection and define a system that works with what exists today, and that solution ends up looking very MCP-shaped.

You might say "well you could just have a little script/xslt that does the translation". That's exactly what a local MCP server is.

_heimdall 18 hours ago||
I'm not aware of anything that makes the models prefer JSON though, that's an implementation decision from whomever implemented the transport mechanism.

LLMs will happily work with XML, including to understand data schemas and discover available actions that can be taken.

whazor 1 day ago||
MCPs are winning because within the ChatGPT and Claude apps, there are Plugin stores. These plugins are one-click installation MCP servers, with support for authentication. This is what business users are using.
mstank 1 day ago||
Exactly this. It’s a very effective way to integrate your app into Claude/openai.

I was anti-MCP at one point when it was eating up a substantial amount of context in Claude code. That’s largely been fixed now.

From my perspective, they are a great way to wrap an API for agent consumption. I can see a future where every major commercial or service website (think airline websites) have an MCP your agent can use to check flight status, rebook, or check you in.

datsci_est_2015 1 day ago||
To be fair, after visiting some trade shows recently, a lot of these “parasitic” LLM startups are not very convincing from a business-use case perspective. (They’re not really parasitic, more like a remora attaching itself to a shark, the shark being OpenAI or Anthropic).

At IMTS at Chicago the skepticism amongst the visitors towards AI and pure-AI startups was at an all-time high. More than once I heard, “Oh yeah I visited that AI booth and they couldn’t explain what value they would add to my business.”

So in that sense, while MCPs are “winning”, I also see them as a significant part of the AI “bubble”, specifically solutions looking for problems backed by VC money.

cagz 1 day ago||
The title feels clickbaity. Direct API, CLI and MCP all have their uses.

Direct access (Curl/own small function): This requires agent to have full understanding of the API spec. Yes, context can be protected using progressive disclosure, but this essentially means agent needing to understand the API again and again, before every use. Also, a typical API spec may or may not be agent-friendly. If there are nuances when calling an endpoint, where do we put these? Into OAS description? Works, but clunky.

CLI: It works beautifully, especially when a 3rd party CLI already exists for a complex backend. Assumes a well documented, agent friendly CLI, most CLIs are designed for human or CI/CD consumption. Talking about MCP taking up too much context, think about agent starting with my_cli --help, and going down through the switches and parameters one at a time to figure out how the CLI should be called. Less of a problem when calling a well know CLI (e.g. aws), but anything more niche (or custom) requires multiple turns to compose the final CLI command.

MCP: Has its issues, but offers an agent-native solution. Everything agent needs to know about a tool becomes available at once. In an enterprise environment MCPs can be served through an MCP Gateway, providing governance and permission management, this is quite contrast against running a CLI that requires agent to have execute permissions in its shell.

mayas_ 1 day ago||
Another strong point for CLI is the `--dry-run` flag
_heimdall 1 day ago||
The MCP use case is mainly another attempt at papering over the fact that effectively no API today is actually RESTful. We wouldn't need MCP at all if we still implemented REST APIs.
CharlieDigital 1 day ago||
I think many devs misunderstand MCP because they work in solo mode. In solo mode, you just have your secrets local. You don't care about auditing access. There's no IT managing the infra and third party secrets. You don't have to account for different harnesses and tooling; you just use your own harness and adapt your tooling to it. You're not thinking about revoking/rotating secrets when someone leaves your team. You don't have to deliver capabilities to many different runtimes and stacks.

Back in March, everyone was already pronouncing it dead[0] when in fact, it has only proliferated and become even more essential for both 3rd party systems as well as platform level capabilities[1] as agentic tooling has moved a bit more slowly into the enterprise. It was apparent even back then that enterprises will need MCP.

In a team context? Enterprise? Building web server backed or in-process agents? Not sure how you replicate the control, auditability, accessibility, composability, and security boundary that you get with MCP over HTTPS without a lot of bespoke, point solutions; in the end, protocols almost always win.

Could you do it with just REST APIs? I mean, MCP is just JSON-RPC over HTTP with standardized auth, schemas, and agent specific exchange flows (tools, prompts, resources, etc.). Could you do it with just CLIs? You lose a lot of the control mechanisms offered by MCP (auditing, security, centralized auth, etc.). The context savings are overblown except with CLIs that have good representation in training (curl, jq, cat, sed, etc.; your custom CLI is going to need to produce instructions and add to context all the same)

Heuristic is simple: don't use MCP for local, solo dev. As soon as you need MCP, you'll know it and you'll understand why it exists. Many of the harness level capabilities themselves are implemented as first party MCP (more apparent in the CLIs). MCP is basically REST for the agentic era.

[0] https://chrlschn.dev/blog/2026/03/mcp-is-dead-long-live-mcp/

[1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/mcp-v2/

kylemaxwell 22 hours ago|
That core issue - the HN audience thinking solo or very small team, not large team or enterprise - permeates so much commentary and analysis here. You're spot on.
CharlieDigital 22 hours ago||
I also take a lot of the guidance from influencers with a grain of salt for that reason. What works for the solo dev on greenfield projects rarely scales to the enterprise 1:1. Brownfield. Security policies. Enterprise controls. Legacy systems.

There is usually a kernel of value that has to be extracted and translated to apply what works for the solo AI engineer and what works for the team.

jvanderbot 1 day ago||
I really don't care about the technical or cleanliness arguments against MCP (which are valid).

What I care about is that many companies didn't have APIs, and didn't see a reason to have them (niche, dev-focused use case, or might produce a competing frontend/app)...

but now, those companies have a reason (agentic but let customer agents access data!). And for me, that means more companies now allow me access to my own data on their platform. This has been a net win!

jayd16 22 hours ago|
Yeah the AI FOMO beating out the desire to monopolize through closed API and lock in has been one of the nice side effects of this hype cycle.
doctaj 1 day ago||
This doesnt match my experience. Yesterday, I was using Microsoft's Power BI Authoring MCP to make a semantic model from some SQL or CSV files. It was magical.

Microsoft has defined how to do that in the MCP. It's trivial to add the MCP to the machine and reliable in execution.

The alternative would be the model having to get the documentation directly from their documentation website, it sounds like. If this was the case, then MS would likely have great docs and probably support that markdown header... but everything hinges on finding a specific web page on the internet? Seems worse in every way than MCP to me.

flowerlad 22 hours ago||
But you had to install their MCP server on your computer? That works for developers. Wouldn't it be nice to avoid another install?
jayd16 22 hours ago||
As opposed to which alternative? Spending credits to send the work to a non-local AI to fumble through it?
UltraSane 1 day ago||
AWS has many MCP servers that work extremely well.
AndrewDucker 1 day ago||
It's not just the agent understanding the API, it's locking down the access they have. If I want to give access to an internal service in specific ways that the API doesn't lock down then an MCP that offers very specific queries, with protective controls and transformations in place is very useful.
notnullorvoid 1 day ago|
If one can build a MCP with proper protections, they can certainly do the same for their API/CLI/SDK.
AndrewDucker 23 hours ago||
I can build a local MCP that gives restricted access to an API which I have no control over.
wetpaste 22 hours ago||
I think a most interesting middle ground option is the advent of CLIs specifically with agents in mind.

For example, grafana has a newer CLI called gcx that replaced grafanactl https://grafana.com/docs/grafana/latest/as-code/observabilit...

I originally used the MCP server but after running into context bloat and limitations around MCP I looked and found this. Seems to be a fantastic interface for agents, they breeze through o11y tasks with this thing.

georgeburdell 21 hours ago||
Agreed, had a coworker come to this same conclusion and now only distributes CLIs. I think it’s solid as long as the decision tree of which tools do what is fairly simple. Perhaps MCPs were just overused before
bhu8 20 hours ago||
For anything with CLI access and permissions CLI >>> MCP, not even close

Also this how most ADEs enable agent messaging and the like

thehamkercat 1 day ago|
MCP lead to one good thing though

a lot of websites that never bothered to provide a REST API are now exposing MCP server because it has become popular, and you can use those servers to write normal automation for yourself, without plugging in any LLM etc

Zigurd 23 hours ago||
The same thing is going to happen at the app level on Google and Apple platforms. Android tried to have modular cooperating software, but both the early dominance of iPhone in the developer community, and developer interests in having monolithic apps made that effort fail.

Now both Google and Apple are making app interfaces legible and on-device tool calling discoverable. This will change apps in interesting ways.

ex-aws-dude 1 day ago|||
You have to throw in “load bearing” in the request though to avoid suspicion
preisschild 1 day ago||
Also dynamic oidc registration (client.dev) has became better supported on oidc idps to support MCP
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