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Posted by DeepLogin 1 day ago

Disney+: New user agreement allows ads before movies in all subscriptions(consumerrights.wiki)
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danbrooks 21 hours ago|
Not sure this is as nefarious as it might look at first glance.

Disney+ supports a variety of content types - some of which naturally have ads.

A big example is the Super Bowl (coming in February), which has always had ads.

joshtronic 1 day ago||
Why aren’t we raging at movie theaters? They’ve been putting ads before the content we actually paid to see for a long time now
leipert 1 day ago||
At the movies I can grab popcorn while the ads play. And usually the ads are for other movies, often enough topical. Watching an action movie, get ads for more action movies.

If ads are playing on the TV, they inject themselves into your home. Especially kids now wanting to buy or watch that you didn’t get to vet.

GuinansEyebrows 23 hours ago||
i don't think i've ever seen a discussion about movie theaters online where people weren't complaining about preroll ads, going back a good 20 years when this started to happen :)
huxflux 1 day ago||
Bye bye Disney!
Alifatisk 1 day ago||
Why am I even paying anymore.
alt227 23 hours ago|
Because you are a good little consumer.
philipallstar 1 day ago||
Use BBC iPlayer and you will see a lot of ads. Just for BBC content.
dwedge 1 day ago|
Use BBC from abroad and you see scam ads and the "which bar would you move to save the king" crap. They're not morally above this, only legally within the UK
cynicalsecurity 1 day ago||
Meanwhile pirates don't see any ads. Make this make sense.
mitxela 1 day ago||
The system discovered that it's always easier to force someone to give you money than to offer something they want to pay for.
chrisstu 1 day ago||
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Daneel_ 1 day ago|||
Taking the cash from a bank deprives others of the money. Duplicating a video doesn’t deprive another person of anything.

Piracy is simple: when you make your product more convenient than piracy, people use it. Steam is popular for a reason - no crap, enormous game selection.. it’s just better than pirating. Netflix used to be the same - great selection, no ads.. now look: terrible selection and price is too high.

Brendinooo 1 day ago|||
If a production crew of 1000 people makes a movie and everyone pirates it, you don't think those people will be deprived of anything?
Daneel_ 15 hours ago|||
If I wasn't willing to pay for the movie/streaming service/etc then the objective answer is no.

If I would pay to watch it then yes, but I'm not going to pay money to a streaming platform only to watch ads.

Brendinooo 15 hours ago||
Setting aside the fact that you didn't actually answer my question: the objective answer is not "no". That's just a frame and some assumptions you'd like everyone to hold in order to justify yourself.
Daneel_ 12 hours ago||
I can’t speak for everyone else’s take on it, but I do feel like I addressed your question.

A significant portion of piracy is opportunistic as far as I’m aware, in that people say “well, since it’s free I’ll grab it”. The opportunity cost is effectively zero.

What I’m getting at is that if you have 100 people who pirate the film, perhaps only 5 of those might have been willing to pay to see it, if only there was a convenient opportunity to do so. No money was lost through the other 95 - their decision was between ‘pirate’ and ‘don’t watch it’.

Of the remaining 5, yes, it’s lost revenue, but that’s because there likely wasn’t a convenient service with no ads at a price where people think they’re getting value. It’s all about convenience at the end of the day - if it’s more convenient to pirate it then your service is going to suffer. You have be more convenient.

mitxela 1 day ago||||
The production crew is getting peanuts anyway. If one out of 100 people donates them some money, they come out ahead.

Also maybe it's their job to come up with a business model that everyone doesn't hate. If they'd just syndicate to all streaming platforms, piracy wouldn't be a problem for them.

Brendinooo 1 day ago||
>The production crew is getting peanuts anyway

1000 people on a feature film, you're looking at about $70 million in salary. That's peanuts to you?

> If one out of 100 people donates them some money, they come out ahead.

In other words, you're conceding the point that they would be deprived of something if everyone pirates their work.

rwmj 7 hours ago|||
What sort of an argument is this? Just because you overspent on production doesn't entitle you to be paid.
chrisstu 1 day ago|||
His argument has all the intellectual strength of a newborn lamb.
mahboi 22 hours ago||||
And they're taking a risk that the movie turns out bad. It does seem like newer movies have become mediocre because they don't want to take risks anymore.
exe34 1 day ago|||
In what world is everyone able or willing to pirate? I think your ad-absurdum is just absurd here.
Brendinooo 1 day ago||
>Duplicating a video doesn’t deprive another person of anything

This was the claim. I said what I said to point out that if everyone acted on this belief for a feature film, there would be a thousand people who ultimately don't get compensated for their work.

You are right: not everyone is able or willing to pirate. Piracy is only able to exist because of these people who pay for art. That's definitely true, and definitely different than the claim that no one is being deprived of anything.

exe34 1 day ago||
What are they being deprived of when somebody who was never going to pay makes a copy?
mahboi 22 hours ago|||
Some were going to pay. They already want to watch the show badly enough to jump through the hoops of pirating it.
Brendinooo 1 day ago|||
The motive of the pirate doesn't matter: they are deprived from the revenue that was circumvented.
exe34 1 day ago||
No they can't be deprived of imaginary revenue.
Brendinooo 23 hours ago||
They are deprived of the payment they asked for in exchange for someone viewing their work.

Also, "the pirate was never going to pay" is a far more imaginary thing here; it's an unproven claim (especially since it's often paired with "pirates would pay if it was cheaper/more convenient to access).

Regardless, it strikes me as a particularly arrogant kind of entitlement for you to violate someone's terms to enjoy their thing while telling them you think it's worthless.

exe34 20 hours ago||
I'm personally happy to pay to watch without adverts. I'm not willing to pay for adverts. If they only sell it with adverts, then I'm never going to pay for it. Whether or not I watch it, they don't lose a dime.
Brendinooo 18 hours ago||
I understand the idea of refusing service you don't like, but there's just no way that disliking a service gives you the right to rewrite terms.

I dunno man. If you're gonna benefit from the hard work of others without compensating them, so be it. It's the pretension that you're doing something other than that, for motives other than pure self-interest, which really bothers me.

exe34 9 hours ago||
> for motives other than pure self-interest, which really bothers me.

What motives have I claimed?

charcircuit 22 hours ago|||
They are deprived of the license fee they are entitled to for the copy made.
rwmj 1 day ago|||
Cash is rivalrous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivalry_(economics)
chrisstu 1 day ago||
A fancy word, presumably used in this context in an attempt to make the argument that stealing copyright material has no negative consequences.
raffraffraff 1 day ago||
I love this use of the word "agreement"
vachina 23 hours ago||
You guys are paying for Disney+?
oybng 1 day ago||
Stop. Giving. Them. Your. Money.
shevy-java 1 day ago|
That's sad. I do not want my money to go into ads anywhere. I decided that for my own life, I can do well without propaganda, aka ads. I can not kill ads in reallife, e. g. if a poster shows this on some house, but I can most definitely get rid of it on the www, which I do. Ublock origin is the bare minimum (I can also use it via thorium actually, so via the adChrome code base, but I'd love to be able to de-google myself as well - the sooner the better. Sadly I still depend on Google too much, which does not make me happy. Now that Google ruined its search engine, though, I am looking for viable alternatives. The other search engines are really bad though, although I have increasingly noticed that I get different search results, e. g. qwant shows other things than Google, and in some cases better results using the same search query, which was interesting. Sooner or later I can completely abandon the crap that is modern google search).
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