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Posted by fuzzythinker 1 day ago

Engineering Memory: On learning to memorize first 100 digits of pi (2024)(gregorygundersen.com)
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KyleJune 56 minutes ago|
I used the techniques described on this page to memorize pi. I've got 60 memorized where I can recall the digits by place. For example, the 40th decimal place is 1. In the table, it's the last digit of column A10. The phrase in A10 is ToP CaT, which translates to 1971, and the last 1 is the 40th digit.

https://www.ludism.org/mentat/PiMemorisation

tverbeure 9 hours ago||
Moonwalking with Einstein is a fun read. I started using some tricks in real life. One of the key premises is that humans are much better at remembering sensory things than abstract ones.

A good example is remembering names: when one’s name is “John Baker”, it is so much easier to remember by silently adding “the” in front of it.

We’re also very good at remembering salacious stuff. I tried constructing my own memory palace for a grocery shopping list that included cream cheese. If you mentally make Claudia Schiffer take a bath in cream cheese, you’ll never forget that. (I read the book at least 10 years ago and still haven’t…)

criddell 4 hours ago|
The John Baker? Why is that easier to remember?
tverbeure 3 hours ago||
John the Baker.
justushamalaine 3 hours ago||
I have a feeling that original commenter might have already understand where the the was supposed to be placed :D
nomilk 9 hours ago||
A chapter on memorising numbers from he book The Memory Book: The Classic Guide to Improving Your Memory by Harry Lorayne and Jerry Lucas uses a similar technique. They recommend memorising this mapping:

0: 's'

1: 't'

2: 'n'

3: 'm'

4: 'r'

5: 'l'

6: 'sh'

7: 'k'

8: 'v'

9: 'p/b'

To use it, just make images/stories that correspond to the digits you need to remember.

The more absurd the story, the less likely you'll forget.

E.g. pi (3.14159265359 ) could be the images of these objects: mit, rat, lab, Noah, shell, mail, bee. Then just sew them together in a story e.g. someone drops a mit, it lands on a rat, the rat runs up to someone in a lab, it's Noah, he throws a shell, it knocks over some mail which lands on a bee.

I don't use it often, but I like to memorise any 8+ digit door code when checking into a serviced apartment or airbnb, in case I forget my phone and would otherwise be without the code.

fransje26 8 hours ago|
Funny, I just finished that book.

They were using a few more mappings per number for instance:

0: 's', 'z', soft 'c'

1: 't', 'd', 'th'

6: 'j', 'sh', 'ch', soft 'g'

etc

The problem I have, is that they present them from 1 to 0, and the first 4 have some mnemonic logic added to them: a bar in 't' for 1, two bars down in the 'n' for 2, three in 'm' for 3, and the 'r' from fouR in 4.

Great. And then mnemonic logic goes out the door. 5: 'l'. Ah. A single bar. Err.. is it 1 or 5..? 7: 'k'. Imagine the K looks like a 7. Ok, maybe.

So the mapping itself starts getting confusing. Unless you do what they claimed all along the book you shouldn't do: rote memorization.. Which was grinding my gears a bit..

gibibit 1 hour ago||
At some level you do have to let rote memorization take place. For 10 digits for example, this is totally reasonable and you can memorize those associations in an hour easily. Then you can apply them to create mnemonics for 1000s of things.
Betelbuddy 5 hours ago||
None of these techniques are new, they were just described here in $50 words and in triple the time necessary.

I can teach you right now, the first 50 digits of Pi, after the 3 and the comma. And with almost zero effort. Just memorize the text below...

Congrats you little, little genius.

# ===========================================================

"A poem I write carefully to encode every new digit silently, reminding curious beginners how we can decipher each number in hidden text you see.

Whenever you go through beautiful green wilderness at midnight, remember when I carefully recited a simple paragraph and practiced repeating the numbers again; I remembered."

# ===========================================================

beng-nl 15 minutes ago|
Sir I have a rhyme excelling In mystical force and magic spelling Celestial sprites elucidate All my own striving can’t relate
greeniskool 4 hours ago||
Answer in Progress on YouTube has a cool video on memory tricks and memorizing Pi [1], worth a watch.

[1] i memorized 3,141 digits of pi to prove a point (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAjkicwrD4I)

Edit: I had only skimmed through the OP when I posted this comment, turns out both the video and this article talk about the memory palace method! They diverge in the way it's applied though, with the AiP video associating digits with real life locations

reenorap 4 hours ago||
There’s a song on YouTube that my kid and a bunch of his classmates used to memorize the first 100 digits of pi. When they were 6 the entire class memorized the periodic table similarly using a YouTube song as well.

Funny thing is that another kid memorized pi to over 500 digits just from pure memorization.

intrasight 3 hours ago|
I assume my daughter used that song as well. I remember us sitting at the dining room table and her peeling off 100 digits of pi. I explained to her that that would provide an accuracy such that a circle the size of the observable universe would be accurate to within a Planck length.

Fun memory from 16 years ago. Next month she'll be obtaining her PhD in physics.

jasonwatkinspdx 2 hours ago||
Livestreamer Extra Emily streamed herself using this approach to memorize the first 1000 digits of pi. It took her 11 hours.
zeezer0 5 hours ago||
These memory trick posts are always interesting to read for someone with Aphantasia. Most of the tricks require visualization which is impossible for me. Memory palace means I have to now remember double the things. The rooms in the house and the thing I've placed in the room.
aswegs8 3 hours ago||
Good read, even though I don't agree with the premise that memorizing 100 digits is a "superpower"
nickcw 7 hours ago|
I know pi to 50 places learned through lots of repetition. I've always been good at remembering numbers though.

I don't find the memory palace tricks helpful at all though. I think that is a consequence of my Aphantasia and something I only realised recently. I can't visualise a memory palace so placing things in it is impossible!

abecedarius 2 hours ago||
Is there "benchmark data" on different memory techniques? I also wondered about this because I also memorized 50 digits on a lark back in high school, without the post's encoding technique and memory palace.

I added one block of 10 digits per night, spending maybe 10 minutes per night? Very roughly an hour total, ~same as the poster spent to get 100 digits, but without the prior investment they spent on the PAO (memorizing 300 key-value pairs, apparently).

You'd want to compare to Anki, too.

dgellow 6 hours ago||
I’m on the complete opposite part of the spectrum from aphantasia, but also don’t find the memory palace concept useful. Actually, I find any trick to memorize things to be a detriment to actually remembering things effectively! I still have to go through the whole alphabet song, instead of having the order internalized :)

On the other hand I learned 15 decimals of pi as a kid through pure rot training and feel they are way more internalized

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