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Posted by batmang 1 day ago

We write code by hand(handcraftedcode.org)
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ChrisArchitect 1 day ago|
Aside: what are the icons beside people's names? Particularly the pentagram star one... Assuming something to do with the Fediverse, but not Mastodon? Yet seeing number of entries link to a Mastodon instance, but also some other sites like some kind of ActivityPub server etc... Wasn't the Fediverse logo supposed to be that three-asterisk thing?
gafferongames 1 day ago||
This is a list of people who have downgraded themselves from professional to hobbyist
verdverm 1 day ago|
and perhaps have less secure software, agents reviewing code catch more issues than humans, what are they shipping?
gafferongames 23 hours ago||
demonstrably insecure software
david-gpu 1 day ago||
There is a niche market for hand-knit sweaters, and they do have some fervent followers, but most of us prefer the price and convenience of machine-made fabrics. Just like most of us do not write assembly by hand any more, most of the time.
guywithahat 1 day ago||
I love how the list is unironically filled with links to peoples bluesky's. X is a very AI-forward platform with people using it to build the future; Bluesky is presumably filled with old foggies who think 2k lines of code a sprint is impressive.
couchand 1 day ago||
Oh, we're back to using lines of code as a productivity measure?
dana-s 1 day ago||
"build the future" meaning build a very specific form of future, which not everyone would rather be part of.
nathias 1 day ago||
njoy mhy hnnd crfhted proze
_dwt 1 day ago||
It's wild to watch speciation in real time. (Quick, interpret that according to your chosen side.) I do not know who will "win", but the real-time divergence between the commentary here and, say, other "programmer news" sites is incredible to live through. This reminds me of mid-2020 days of COVID and the level of, eh, confidence going around about masks or lockdowns or vaccines.
arcrae 1 day ago||
I appreciate seeing this, but I would like to see more people talk about WHY handwriting code is still valuable. For me, it's not because I'm a purist, but when I tried drinking the coding agent kool-aid, I saw my productivity get worse rather than better. I've thought about sharing more on this, but I've seen a worrying trend where anyone who talks about how they're not seeing amazing productivity gains from AI gets told it's a skill issue and they're doing it wrong.

Anyway, I’ll briefly share why after trying full agentic coding in earnest, I’m back to writing almost all my code by hand (I even turned off AI edit predictions). I will not deny that a lot of AI code is quite good these days, but in my experience it’s nowhere near the point where I’m comfortable not reviewing it. So if I have to review it, then this means I need to read verbose more code than most human developers write and that is just not fun. But beyond just not being fun, as I got farther from writing the code myself, it felt like I was a worse reviewer. Obviously total skill atrophy doesn’t happen overnight, but I felt like even being away from coding for a few weeks or months, I was more and more “out of shape” and whenever I did dig into the code base, even if I had reviewed everything and guided the AI, it all felt really alien. And then there is the part about needing to read tons and tons of annoying AI generated prose and argue with it constantly. Ultimately after a few months of trying this on some personal projects, I realized that because I had been so disinvolved with writing the code, most of it needed to be reworked in pretty substantial ways. Once I started writing the code again, I realized my net ability to steer the code in the right direction was faster when I typed it out than by going through this tiring LLM prompt/review/re-prompt loop while my skills were subtly atrophying each day. Now that I’m back to writing almost all my code by hand, I sort of hold the opinion that hand-coding is an unreasonably effective away of developing software architecture intuition and steering a codebase in the right direction. Also, I realized typing code is not actually that slow - thinking is definitely the slower part and the more you offload your thinking and understanding to robot who has literally zero persistent memory or stake in your project, the less capable you’ll be of doing the thinking when you need it.

I still use AI for brainstorming, reviewing my code and one-off prototyping/benchmarking tasks, but usually even if it writes some decent code snippet in the chat for me, I’ll go and handwrite it myself because then I actually get to learn something! This also let’s me confirm that the AI suggested approach is correct (usually it’s pretty good, but sometimes it’s off). I know some people are saying you have to stop reviewing code if you want to be fast with AI - that’s true and maybe that’s what the future will look like. But if humans still need to be involved in understanding and guiding code, I think handwriting code is quite a good way to stay on top of things.

compil3d 1 day ago||
Bruh of course this is coming out of Portland. That'll be the last city writing code by hand.
applfanboysbgon 1 day ago||
Gross how many commenters are swarming to take pride in their ignorance and generation of deficient, bug-ridden code. Like actual cockroaches, there's 15 one-line comments to this effect in 10 minutes. LLMs are obviously immensely useful for certain types of tasks and prototyping but you have to be seriously incompetent if they're faster and better than you are for writing production code in any area where you have the slightest bit of expertise.
ls-a 1 day ago|
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