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Posted by chmaynard 10 hours ago

What Sun got wrong(bcantrill.dtrace.org)
476 points | 263 commentspage 4
keeda 8 hours ago|
I know OP has an intimately inside perspective, whereas what I know about Sun is only from what I read online as an admirer and developer on its platforms… but “gotten bored of the mechanics of running a business” does not match what seemed to be more about having gotten “too enterprise-y” or “too out of touch with the market” and maybe also “too hubristic.”
cmdrk 10 hours ago||
when I was a student in the waning days of Sun, the SPARC/Solaris machines were impenetrable Big Iron guarded closely by the greybeards -- not to be touched by the likes of mere undergrads. Never really did get beyond noodling around with cast off gear from eBay, though I did get to enjoy a bit of it via the Sun DNA in SmartOS years later.
PaulHoule 10 hours ago||
Our Sun rep served us well at an academic library. I had no problems provisioning a server with a nice storage array. When things fell apart at Sun our sales engineer from Sun wound up working for us.
dizhn 8 hours ago||
I did get to sit in front of the consoles that served the whole school (via telnet) and even hard rebooted them a few times and I wasn't even in a techy major. Just had good relations with the head of school IT. That much exposure was enough to crave a similar computing experience and that's when I installed Linux at home right after college.
gadders 8 hours ago||
The good thing about Sun (when working at a corporate customer) was that they were very good at getting their distinguished tech people into give talks - Tim Bray, James Gosling etc.
dcminter 7 hours ago||
While we're reminiscing, I never did understand why Sun paid a billion dollars for MySQL in 2008.

So far the best theory I've heard was that it was bait to make them tastier to IBM and Oracle - but even that seems kind of weak; had they really given up at that point? Does anyone have a better theory?

tiffanyh 8 hours ago||
I wonder if bcantrill will ever get back into cloud hosting ... to revive his Joyent days (which he alludes to without naming directly in the post).
jjuel 7 hours ago|
I mean in a way isn't that what Oxide is doing? Aren't they just providing you the hardware to do cloud hosting yourself on prem?
tiffanyh 7 hours ago||
On-prem vs cloud though, is two very different things.

In the later, I don't have to worry about hardware/power/networking/etc at all.

riazrizvi 5 hours ago||
Very expensive and valuable information to come by, thanks for sharing.
cmiller1 9 hours ago||
How timely, I was just thinking about Sun after doing some office rearranging last week and running into a bunch of sun branded ethernet cables.
ImJasonH 9 hours ago||
> all of these homage shirts are amazing

You can't just say that without sharing those too!

RationPhantoms 9 hours ago|
Brian, I know you lurk and post here but i'd love to see those designs make their way to the store so the general public can purchase them.
bcantrill 9 hours ago||
Heh, yeah, we're hearing that a lot. We'll find a way of getting these out to people, but we're still debating the best way to do that (running an online store isn't zero work -- but it's also not an unsolved problem!). Stay tuned!
rachr 8 hours ago||
Awesome. I'm not in a position at my company to move the needle much in terms of buying, but I would love to support you guys any way I can.
strappymcneeler 10 hours ago|
Solaris lack of a package manager and crappy patches where patches replaced things wholesale, caused us a lot of overtime, but hey, got me a bigger house! Thanks Sun! Oh btw their hardware was way ahead of their shit software, which wasn’t as bad as shittier IBM or Digital or HP
jacquesm 9 hours ago||
Yes. The software really wasn't all that great. I played a lot with Sun gear and had SGI stuff as well, the polish of the SGI machines vs the 1980's vibe that the Sun gear gave off was on a completely different level. Sun was quality hardware but the software was really a time capsule of what Unix workstations had looked like in the past.
dijit 9 hours ago|||
I still feel like we're catching up to SMF.

But yeah, the lack of package manager hurt a lot, and there were competing third-party package managers which had totally different pro's/con's and packages and were incompatible with each other... what a mess.

Compared to apt/yum it was kinda comical... but the first party software really was excellent otherwise.

rwmj 9 hours ago||
Not to mention the horrible installer. At that time, Debian and Red Hat installs were super-easy compared to Solaris. And Sun controlled their own hardware stack too!
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