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Posted by ano-ther 1 day ago

macOS 27: Workaround to avoid downloading AI models and save storage(www.reddit.com)
232 points | 119 commentspage 2
thewhitetulip 23 hours ago|
I am tired to fight against every platform that I have to use

De macify Mac Degoogle Android Demacify ipad DeLLM chrome browsers local llm

Can we expect sane decisions from corpos about what we want rather than what latest thing they want to push on us?

agoodusername63 22 hours ago||
no. buy a linux compatible laptop and deal with the UX downgrade.
hattar 20 hours ago|||
There are definitely some cool features missing, but I'd take KDE over any other window manager without a second thought if it were possible.
davidee 13 hours ago||||
I’ve found the downgrade surprisingly minimal on plasma 6 - and it’s far more customizable.

Thanks to marginal gains on MacOs (nee OS X) the Linux desktop gets closer more quickly than Apple can pull away.

drooopy 21 hours ago||||
What downgrade? A typical Gnome desktop is far more coherent than Windows or even macOS in some regards these days.
zahlman 16 hours ago||
Yes, and you can do much better than GNOME, too.
thewhitetulip 12 hours ago|||
Yes I use cosmic DE on Fedora. I didn't find it a downgrade at all! Despite not running an M chip it is butter smooth
ezst 22 hours ago|||
KDE. KDE is all you need.
kdkdkwjdjwkd 14 hours ago|||
If you’re gonna use KDE, just go with Windows. Same UI paradigm and, surprisingly, Windows looks better (that’s how bad KDE looks).
ezst 9 hours ago||
"look, MacOS is following the same trend as windows as to become measurably worse over time, with bloat, slop, user hostile/dark pattern, removing freedoms configuration and escape hatches"

"KDE is immune to those by design"

"Then use Windows"

I'm surely convinced!

Ginger-Pickles 22 hours ago|||
One arguably don’t even need KDE any more; the coding models will throw together a perfectly adequate desktop environment.
regenschutz 22 hours ago|||
Why should one use something adequate when something amazing exists?
ezst 22 hours ago|||
Not sure what the point of this would be? Devalued street creds for running something nobody else does? Who cares?
bitwize 20 hours ago||
Well, it's literally the reason Omarchy exists so some people like it...
jhack 23 hours ago|||
Apple says their users make 2.5B Siri requests per day. Sounds like people want it?
drooopy 21 hours ago|||
Never met anyone who used siri out in public, to be honest.
tiborsaas 23 hours ago||||
Do they have a breakdown for platforms? iOS vs. macOS, I'd bet most of it is iOS.

I don't have Siri enabled, I've never felt the need for it on desktop.

nozzlegear 21 hours ago||
I use it on the desktop.
quaddoggy 18 hours ago||||
Timers. Easily >50% of these requests are people setting timers.
moribvndvs 23 hours ago||||
Even though I do use it, a choice would be nice.
Hodgewocket 23 hours ago||||
Are they aware?
javier2 22 hours ago||||
I dont even have Siri enabled, but even less so on macOS.
a1o 22 hours ago||
If you have a car you are forced to because you can’t use Apple Car Play if you don’t enable Siri.

I also don’t use but I have to have it enabled to be able to use Google Maps, and Siri occasionally mistakes a conversation for being invited to listen and speak.

officeplant 17 hours ago|||
>you can’t use Apple Car Play if you don’t enable Siri.

It works for me, but I'm using wired carplay on an iphone 11 w/ios27. (In the US, Swapped to Siri Classic, then disabled it.)

Looking around online it seems doing it wired can bypass the Siri requirement. Which may work in my case because in the Ford headunit I can force wireless projection to be off and blocked (including turning off the wifi for the headunit). So some cars might be forcing wireless Carplay and triggering the Siri requirement.

cromulent 18 hours ago|||
Curious. I have Siri turned off (just checked again) and I use Apple CarPlay daily. Maybe an EU thing.
GuinansEyebrows 23 hours ago||||
i wonder how many of them are like 100% of my requests?

- "set a timer for 14 minutes"

- "remind me to make a doctor's appointment tomorrow at noon"

- "turn off the bedroom lights"

that don't require any form of AI and have functioned perfectly well (aside from having a hard time when i mumble) for years on non-AI versions of Siri?

thewebguyd 23 hours ago|||
I suspect even some of the more "advanced" queries they demoed off, i.e., "what was that restaurant John and I talked about last week?" also not require LLMs whatsoever and could have been accomplished with a simple search.
anamexis 22 hours ago||
I think you're going to need some kind of ML to turn that question into a structured search, and interpret the results.
regenschutz 22 hours ago||
Not necessarily. NLP is possible to do without any ML. See ELIZA [0] as an example, which used pattern matching and substitution to process natural language. A few simple rules can cover a majority of requests. It's still AI, but not ML.

Though I do agree that the ML-based NLP thst we have today is much more usable, albeit more compute-expensive.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA

exographicskip 23 hours ago||||
This matches my use cases. Poor speech to text recognition so I don't trust siri to do anything non-trivial
dreamcompiler 21 hours ago|||
Siri was always AI, but the popular connotation of "AI" changes all the time. It now means "LLMs built with transformers."
pesus 22 hours ago||||
I get forced to use it While using CarPlay. I don't particularly want it, though, considering it still regularly fails at basic tasks like adding the currently playing song to a playlist.
thewhitetulip 22 hours ago||||
How many apple devices exist globally?

Does everyone use siri? How about keeping it opt-in?

mathisfun123 22 hours ago||||
> 2.5B Siri requests per day

that's like one request per day per user lolol

vitalrune 21 hours ago|||
The issue it's they make it very hard to remove it to clear the space used by it, i think you got to boot into recovery mode and do some risky crap, my macbook is almost out of space just from development cache..
basisword 23 hours ago||
You don't need to. Use the alternatives.
itsmeduncan 20 hours ago||
There's a distinction worth drawing here: "on-device" and "local" are not the same thing, and this thread is really about the gap between them. A model Apple pushes to your disk that you can't inspect, swap, or remove, that runs when the OS decides, is on-device in the literal sense and gives you none of the control that makes local AI worth wanting. Local, in the sense people actually mean it, is that you chose the weights, you chose when it runs, and you can delete it. Forcing a 14-29GB model you can't uninstall is the inverse of that. The storage complaint is real, but the deeper one is that "we put AI on your device" quietly became "we put our AI on your device."
kotaKat 22 hours ago|
without a reddit account:

... can you also force Siri off by using Screen Time controls? I noticed that in the Screen Time menus, "Content and Privacy" restrictions can be toggled on. From there seems to be an additional "Siri" menu that lets me change the allowed Siri version from Siri Classic to Siri AI as well as options to turn off the global writing tools/assistance (which turns off the annoying Siri bubble on every textbox now).

I suspect forcing Siri off via those controls would work easier than using Low Data Mode or trying to force Siri to disable via language selection.