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Posted by uxhacker 1 day ago

Meta bans ads for Virginia Woolf play in Spain(www.theguardian.com)
139 points | 150 commentspage 2
martythemaniak 1 day ago|
Sounds like malicious compliance, they should get a fine for that as well.
abirch 1 day ago||
Maybe they should be forced to advertise "Careless People"
roryirvine 1 day ago||
Agreed. The other comments talking about the "heavy burden" of complying with local laws are missing the point - these ads would still be profitable for Meta even accounting for the costs of compliance (which, after all, are primarily one-off cost of implementing an automated system, and which can be amortised over many users).

The fact that Meta is choosing instead to refuse the ads is therefore purely performative and likely intended to elicit precisely those sort of anti-regulation comments in their aid.

jmclnx 1 day ago||
Why meta is not fully banned in the EU is beyond me :)

I know banning or forcing meta to obey laws in the US is impossible due to bribes (political contributions), but in the EU I would think meta could at the very least be reined in.

mminer237 1 day ago||
This actually is a result of Meta being forced to obey EU law. Not sure why the article didn't explain things at all, but Regulation (EU) 2024/900 greatly restricts political advertising with typical vagueness, so Meta is enforcing a broad ban to ensure they comply.
tygon 1 day ago|||
Information like this should be front-and-center. Call it malicious compliance if one wishes, but if there is one thing that is clear, Meta does not do anything (besides try and make money) without being forced to. A blanket ban on anything political does indeed mean a ban on all sides of an issue, even ones many would agree is positive.
dgellow 1 day ago||
The comment you’re responding to and that you want front and center is plainly wrong. The regulation is about transparency and restricting targeted advertising technics for political advertising. That has nothing to do with the situation at hand, it is meta doing something on their own.

And your point about Meta being forced to act is also wrong, companies aren’t just passive institutions that only react to regulations, they constantly take decisions and actions, and regularly manufacture that type of situation as a way to lobby regulators

tantalor 1 day ago||||
It doesn't ban political advertising, it requires labeling/transparency, and prohibits targeting without consent or based on categories like race or religion.

It also defines political ad narrowly as placed by a political actor or campaign, or intended to influence some part of the political process, like voting, legislation, or regulatory action.

rr842j 1 day ago||||
If that were the case, we wouldn't have far right AI generated political ads everywhere in Facebook. Just one example from France this week[1]

I don't know what motivation Facebook has to automatically limit certain political advertising and not other, but it certainly has nothing to do with EU regulation

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/pixels/article/2026/09/19/the-lucr...

RugnirViking 1 day ago||
are the things that you linked to adverts? as in, someone paid facebook to promote them in the ad bit? or are they just regular content.
dathinab 1 day ago||||
> enforcing a broad ban to ensure they comply.

that _really_ doesn't seem what is happening

an AD for a theater play is by no standard political advertisement

Political advertisement in the regulations context is reasonable clearly defined.

An AD for a theater play is in general very clearly _not_ covered by it.

To add to it: Civil rights & feminism (in it's official non hijacked definition, aka. equal fair treatment of man and women) are fundamental rights in the EU, something the regulation very clearly states it doesn't want to impeach on. So arguments that you could accidentally misread the regulation to include banning _non-political advertisement about artistic work covering fundamental rights are a bit absurd_.

Anywhere here is the definition of political advertisement in given regulation:

> political advertising’ means the preparation, placement, promotion, publication, delivery or dissemination, by any means, of a message, normally provided for remuneration or through in-house activities or as part of a _political advertising campaign_:

> (a)by, for or on behalf of a _political actor_, unless it is of a purely private or a purely commercial nature; or

> (b) which is liable and designed to _influence the outcome of an election or referendum_, voting behaviour or a legislative or regulatory process, at Union, national, regional or local level;

(emphasis mine)

So to put it simple: Meta is engaging in censure.

Stretching the term political to include more or less everything (like any topic people have opinions about a politician might speak about) is IMHO a pretty dishonest misinterpretation, especially given that it isn't even everything, but "everything Meta doesn't want to get involved with due to the current political environment".

At best this misinterpretation is due to laziness, at worst pushed by malicious actors in the US.

Given that Meta is a US company and the currently people in power there find this topics quit unpleasant and Metas long history of not faithfully complying with law and allowing all kind of ADs this looks very bad for them.

mminer237 21 hours ago||
"Designed to influence…voting behaviour" is incredibly vague. A play with political undertones could absolutely fit that definition. I understand that's not what was intended by the law, but if someone was advertising plays with support for policies you didn't like, you likely would be calling that political.

More relevantly, a broad, vague policy means an EU regulator can prosecute Meta whenever they feel like it if Meta does not go overboard.

dathinab 19 hours ago||
it really isn't in practice, only if you take things out of context of the rest of the law, the clearly communicated intend of the law (which matters for judges) and of how law in general works

This also isn't reverse construction in any form, just because something might end up influencing voting behavior doesn't mean its "political". Advertising for artistic work covering common social topics doesn't make this political ads. Nor does advertising for documentations, even if they cover a topic which could influence votes. If you look at the definition in the actual regulation that is pretty clear.IMHO

RugnirViking 1 day ago||||
the law came into effect due to widespread advertising campaigns on facebook by someone (often thought to be russian government based) for both sides of any culture war topics, presumably to drive division. Things like simultaneously advertising BLM/ACAB + thin blue line.
darkwater 1 day ago||||
> so Meta is enforcing a broad ban to ensure they comply.

No. Meta enforces a broad ban because they don't want EU to regulate them, so they drag their feet and create the most possible "unwanted collateral damage" so people will get upset at the regulation instead of the company. So, pieces like this from The Guardian are surely needed.

nottorp 1 day ago||
> create the most possible "unwanted collateral damage"

Other examples of this bullshit being cookie consent dialogs and Apple acting like a victim for being forced to open their platform a bit.

tmp10423288442 1 day ago||
If cookie consent dialogs have been going on for as long as they have, can they really be called malicious compliance at this point? Seems like people believe that is the actual intent of the regulation at this point.
nottorp 21 hours ago||
Tell a lie enough times...

I personally see fewer and fewer of those original dialogs that had you deny 20-30 items one by one. Most of the pages I land on have the deny all button or have given up on pretending they care.

piltdownman 1 day ago||||
Like they've famously obeyed GDPR?

Meta aren't 'forced' to do anything other than treat the fines imposed by their lack of adherence to the laws of the territories they operate in as a BAU cost. Meta's profits run roughly the same as the GDP of Paraguay ($60.46 billion in 2025) - i.e. that Country's total value added by an economy through wages, profits, and taxes. Their revenue is on track to exceed the Ukrainian GDP next year.

This year Meta will pay up to $16.7bn to settle landmark US legal actions as result of not obeying US law, reporting $2.4 billion in legal fees in Q2 alone.

The sum total of the EU fines issued (read: appealed and not collected) likely won't even exceed Metas legal fees for the 2026 calendar year; i.e.:

* April 2025 - €200m (DMA "consent or pay" advertising model)

* November 2024 - €797.72m (Antitrust re:Facebook Marketplace)

* September 2024 - €90m (Storage of user passwords in plaintext)

* May 2023 - €1.2b (Unlawful EU-U.S. user data transfers)

* January 2023 - €390m (Forcing personalized ads via terms of service)

* December 2022 - €251m (2018 data breach and system design lapses)

* November 2022 - €265 (Inadequate protection against data scraping)

* September 2022 - €405m (Instagram children's privacy)

tantalor 1 day ago||||
> Not sure why the article didn't explain things at all

The answer is right in front of your eyes: theguardian.com

AnimalMuppet 1 day ago||||
How is a Virginia Woolf play "political advertising"?
watwut 1 day ago|||
No, showing ads for feminism or social issues related plays is not illegal in Europe. Nor fined. And it is practically practiced all around the Europe.

This strategy of "we will lie about what the law enforces, so that we can blame the regulator instead of the company" is getting old.

ActionHank 1 day ago|||
We just need to start pirate streams of football games and it will be gone within the week.
tt24 1 day ago|||
> Why meta is not fully banned in the EU is beyond me :)

It’s pretty simple - the EU is unable to produce alternatives. This is because they don’t have the software talent for it.

Any talent they do have immediately runs for the SF Bay Area of the United States at the first opportunity.

You want good alternatives to Meta’s products? Pay engineers a competitive salary.

And no, the lower cost of living doesn’t even remotely begin to make up for the difference in comp. Same with healthcare - it’s effectively free in the United States for people who have jobs, especially so for SWEs.

welwala 13 hours ago|||
> It’s pretty simple - the EU is unable to produce alternatives. This is because they don’t have the software talent for it.

Honestly, that's not true. Anyone can make a facebook/instagram/whatsapp alternative and the world is full of them. Anyone can even install mastodon and set up their own social network, as America's president has even done: https://www.pcmag.com/news/trumps-social-media-site-quietly-... so it doesn't even require 'software talent'.

What American companies succeeded at was marketing and growth hacking, some of their techniques used are illegal in the EU but they used their network effect of being massive in the US to gain a foothold here. But this has nothing to do with software engineering. Even in the time of facebook's rise Europe was full of competing social networks like hyves.

> Any talent they do have immediately runs for the SF Bay Area of the United States at the first opportunity.

Only those who care about raw salary over everything else. Quality of life, welfare and cost of living is much higher in the EU. The cost of life is huge in silicon valley and that's more a reason why salaries are so high; otherwise people just wouldn't be able to live there.

Edit: I see your edit, yes employers in the US provide free healthcare but only as long as you work there, and you can be fired at any moment and have to pay top dollar suddenly. Not cool when you have a family to support. These are the welfare benefits that make the EU a much more relaxed place to live.

boudin 22 hours ago|||
Why would you want alternative to meta's product ?
tt24 20 hours ago||
To have the ability to ban Meta.
fooqux 1 day ago|||
I'm not saying it's not bad in the USA (because it is) but if you think there's no corruption or bribing in EU politics then I don't know what to say.
1attice 1 day ago||
Although both continents are presently losing themselves to fascism, quantity still has a quality all its own.
ericmay 1 day ago||
You're on the right track but instead of losing themselves to fascism what you should more accurately be pointing out, in my opinion, is that in general societies are becoming a lot more open to authoritarian ideologies, whether that's communism, fascism, or similar.
mhitza 1 day ago|||
Why do you think so many big tech companies are registering subsidiaries in Ireland? (Aside form the "Double Irish" mechanism that used to be in vogue more than a decade ago).

Plenty of hands seem to be well greased over there given how long it takes to issue fines for clear&cut violations of EU regulation.

thesmtsolver2 1 day ago|||
So, Meta should be banned because it followed EU law to ban some things?

Wow, Europeans do have a penchant for recursively banning things :)

troupo 1 day ago|||
No. Supranational corporations will find any and all ways to be maliciously compliant and blame the EU.
thesmtsolver2 16 hours ago||
Look at the comment by mediaman

> The article doesn't mention this, of course, but Meta prohibits "socially sensitive" advertising due to the EU's TTPA law, or "Transparency and Targeting of Political Advertising." It imposes substantial bureaucratic compliance burden on advertising platforms to accept ads that deal with political issues. Meta decided that the revenue wasn't worth the compliance burden, so they do not accept any political advertising at all. They filter anything that smells like political or social issues, whether it be a campaign about anti-immigration or a play about feminism, because if they accept it they will get heavily fined by the EU. This is why Meta does not ban this advertising outside of the EU. It's a EU regulatory problem. The Register does not mention this anywhere in the article.

troupo 16 hours ago||
Yes, exactly: META blames the EU for its failures. (Or useful gullible fools blame the EU because "poor supranational corporations can never do anything wrong")
watwut 1 day ago|||
Neither feminism nor social issues are banned in European advertissements.
thesmtsolver2 16 hours ago|||
Look at the comment by mediaman

> The article doesn't mention this, of course, but Meta prohibits "socially sensitive" advertising due to the EU's TTPA law, or "Transparency and Targeting of Political Advertising." It imposes substantial bureaucratic compliance burden on advertising platforms to accept ads that deal with political issues. Meta decided that the revenue wasn't worth the compliance burden, so they do not accept any political advertising at all. They filter anything that smells like political or social issues, whether it be a campaign about anti-immigration or a play about feminism, because if they accept it they will get heavily fined by the EU. This is why Meta does not ban this advertising outside of the EU. It's a EU regulatory problem. The Register does not mention this anywhere in the article. reply

latexr 1 day ago||
> To resolve the situation, Meta recommended removing “key words” so that the text doesn’t appear to encourage activism.

Move along now, don’t make a racket, don’t do anything to disturb count Zuckerberg and his masters. Go away with your progressive ideas like… Allowing women to express themselves.

shagie 20 hours ago|
https://efa-net.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/META_EU_Update...

    Beginning October 2025, Meta – like other platforms – will no longer allow social issue, electoral and political ads our platforms in the EU, given the unworkable requirements and legal uncertainties introduced by the EU Transparency and Targeting of Political Advertising (TTPA) regulation.

    The TTPA will restrict how advertisers can reach their audiences, which means people will also see less relevant content.

    We remain committed to enabling political speech and fair elections. This won’t prevent people or candidates in the EU from posting about and debating politics on our platforms.

    ...

    Ads about civil and social rights, with ad content that includes discussion, debate or advocacy for or against topics including but not limited to freedom of religion, LGBTQ+ rights and women's rights are subject to review and enforcement.

    Ineligible to run in the EU:
    "Free speech is under attack across college campuses — excessive censorship needs to stop. ”
    “It's time for us all to stand up and demand equal rights for women. ”
    "It's critical for trans people to be given their own voice. "

    Eligible to run in the EU
    “Civil rights exhibition opens on Monday. ”
---

That document describes how Meta has chosen to comply (and complain about) TTPA.

The question here appears to be "is Meta willing to risk going to court and getting fined about an advertisement for Virginia Woolf in Spain?" The answer has always been "no".

The translation that I got for the text in the image in the Guardian article is:

    Clara Sanchis returns to Barcelona with this ironic and provocative show, an icon of feminism, with live music.
I might be missing something in translation, it doesn't seem excessive to me, though Meta is likely being extra prickly to the point of malicious compliance... but they are regulated about what can go into an advertisement about a social issue under the TTPA.

Anything other than entirely milquetoast wording on any social issue is likely to get banned on Meta in the EU.

From Meta's point of view, anything they do gets them brought into court in the EU, and it's likely cheaper to be brought this way rather than getting fined and brought into court.

Take the advertisement to the courts in the EU and get them to declare that it's not in violation of the TTPA.

josefritzishere 22 hours ago||
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Illniyar 1 day ago|
Probably got better publicity with this ban then if they actually showed the ads.

My money is that this is manufactured by some PR team.

Possibly the Ad's text was purposely inflammatory (something like "overthrow the patriarchy" or something) so that they can say it was banned.

jetrink 1 day ago|
Yes, Meta has consistently acted with integrity and has earned the benefit of the doubt in situations like these. It's safer to assume that the massive PR team working for this one-woman play in Spain has manufactured the whole thing, including the damning quotes, which the Guardian has somehow published without properly verifying.
talon8635 1 day ago||
The guy you’re responding to is acknowledging FB’s crap practices and is suggesting a PR team may be using that to their advantage for guerrilla marketing. Not an insane suggestion, actually savvy and common in our modern rage landscape.