Posted by js73js8 23 hours ago
> In addition to resolving the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize problem , this model has now resolved more than 100 long-standing open problems across most areas of mathematics.
Rumor was they were sitting on the solution to the Hodge conjecture. I wonder if thats one of these.
> The group will advise on the review and communication of emerging results.
With hundreds of results, and the seeming exponential vertical from earlier in summer (10 major results from Astra, now hundreds...) I do wonder how exactly such a group decides to disseminate results. If it will instantly bottleneck. I mean I checked their site and it seems to be a google form asking for opinions.
> Importantly, the group will not be responsible for advising us on how to pace our internal progress on mathematics.
Spicy. I think the super intelligence benchmark for me is P vs NP. That one I know is proper hard and feel it in my bones.
In related notes I watched a panel of mathematicians discuss AI recently on YouTubes. Specifically the hlf26 one. [0]. I also watched Terrence Taos recent one on SAIR [1]. In addition to a few others like Tom Rocks and Martin Hairer [2]. Whats abundantly clear is that no one has any answers to what this means for the future of mathematics. They all waffle about what anyone is going to be doing in a few years.
[0] https://youtu.be/H7_d_sgui6o
I think someone at OpenAI (Brockman?) claimed they had "made substantial progress on it", but there is a mathematician on Twitter offering a $25,000 bet, with no takers, that they have not solved it, and that the "substantial progress" they have probably made would still leave them a lot further from a solution than they imagine.
I also see someone else on Twitter claiming to have used AI to understand what the Hodge conjecture is. :)
I really wish OpenAI would fire their PR department (incl. mathematicians), and concentrate on trying to build AGI, or RSI, or generate tons of money, or whatever they are trying to do.
Edit: Apparently not Brockman - some unknown leaker saying there was progress or an expected result soon
OpenAI don't seem to have much direction. First they seemed to be concentrating on consumer with ChatGPT, while also pursuing things like image and video generation, about to get into porn (sex-chat), then they suddenly woke up to Anthropic owning the much more lucrative business/API and coding markets and dropped those distractions to compete with Anthropic instead. The whole Navier-Stokes PR debacle was also due to focusing on Anthropic (who they had heard rumor had solved it), maybe also in part jealous of DeepMind's positive AI-for-science press.
So, is this (poorly conceived) PR a rational attempt to boost investment, or more of a case of paying too much attention to the competition?
OpenAI spent $15 mil working on Navier Stokes.
So you're saying OpenAI not taking a $25k bet is proof of something?
I can see Altman sitting on 100 less famous math results waiting for the best PR opportunity to release them, but hard to see him sitting on this, risking being scooped by a competitor.
It this had happened and been shared with mathematicians, there would be leaks.
The next few years are gonna be very rough for the human exceptionalism crowd.
Nobody else is getting that. When/If the severe impacts on labor materialize, workers won't get an advisory board. They will just get fired, and the companies will celebrate it as efficiency wins.
I think it's time to get very very real about regulation/taxation. Token/Compute sales tax that gets redistributed as UBI?
Workers will get many boards for sure, you are underestimating unions and protests, it just won't be accepted that there isn't any job for people. The change will be diluted, to try to make economy absorb it.
What a seriously cool archaic word.
Importantly, the group will not be responsible for advising us on how to pace our internal progress on mathematics.They can solve whatever problems they like, and they can use those findings internally however they like. I think the advice is on how to disclose the findings to the public without as much uproar as our previous debacle.
Importantly, our board will not be responsible for advising us on anything.This alone feels like a horrible new paradigm
That seems so empty. I also operate independently from them and have the freedom to tell them things they haven't requested and comment on their impact and do so publicly. But I doesn't have any impact on OpenAI. If they're trying to say how this will actually have any impact on anything at all, they're doing a shit job.