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Posted by alwillis 5 hours ago

Turn off and restrict access to Apple Intelligence features on Mac(support.apple.com)
198 points | 126 commentspage 2
ivan888 1 hour ago|
How about removing the Siri button from the menu bar? This doesn’t seem possible anymore (it reappears some time after dragging it out)
variety8675 3 hours ago||
Hopefully someone will make a script or small app to disable all of this in one click
MadrasThorn 2 hours ago||
Every time I turn on my M5 I have to manually turn apple intelligence off.

Clearly a poor buy on my part

Lio 3 hours ago||
It's great that you can turn all this off but why is it tucked away in Screen Time of all places?

What's the thinking behind that?

snazz 1 hour ago||
Seems like they think turning it off is only for kids’ devices. Perhaps they are missing the fact that many adults don’t want it either.
bel8 3 hours ago||
Either dark pattern or incompetence. Sometimes both.
bflesch 4 hours ago||
Funny how Apple has reached the crapware maturity level that Microsoft users are quite familiar with: After first boot, go through a long list of things to deactivate so that one can experience at least some feeling of agency and privacy when using your own hardware.
throw0101c 3 hours ago||
> After first boot, go through a long list of things to deactivate so that one can experience at least some feeling of agency and privacy when using your own hardware.

The difference is that you can actually not set these things up: with Windows you often have to choice. Macs allow you to not have an iCloud account and run just fine without them, whereas to avoid a Microsoft cloud account there are magic CLI incantations that have to be invoked. And once you say "no", Apple generally leaves you alone.

I don't mind a bit of 'upsell' or informing (new) users of available offerings, as long as I get a choice.

butlike 3 hours ago|||
The issue with iCloud is that before you even know it, you're paying $9.99/mo. Since 200gb is quite low, the next tier up is 2tb for $9.99, but then you're essentially locked in. I can't view the iCloud price tiers as anything other than predatory.
officeplant 2 hours ago|||
But 50GB is $0.99 and I'm only really paying for it since I have a bunch of their private email addresses in use. iPhone backup with just the essentials I trust them with is less than 2GB.

I don't know how I would even begin to fill the 50GB plan since I don't trust any cloud storage provider with pictures and videos.

throwaway27448 3 hours ago|||
> The issue with iCloud is that before you even know it, you're paying $9.99/mo.

Sounds like the issue is you.

swiftcoder 3 hours ago||
> Sounds like the issue is you.

Oh, c'mon. The entire services division exists to sell you things like this. And they are very good at it - 25% of Apple's total revenue

throwaway27448 1 hour ago||
What's your point? icloud is hardly necessary for anything.
moose333 3 hours ago|||
> Macs allow you to not have an iCloud account and run just fine without them

Until you need to install an app through the App store. Even a free app will refuse to install without an iCloud account. Frustrating when you want something with a verified source, for me it was Wireguard, and don't want to build it locally.

throwaway27448 3 hours ago||||
> Until you need to install an app through the App store.

Do you have an example of needing to go through the app store? There's apple's apps, I guess.

reaperducer 3 hours ago|||
That's on Wireguard.

If they can apt get on Ubuntu, they can likely brew install on macOS.

ASalazarMX 4 hours ago|||
I'd expect turning off Siri as a whole, which is very easy, would be enough. The list is for people who still want to use Siri after it became a OS-level LLM, I mean, Apple Intelligence.
throwaway27448 1 hour ago||
Presumably it's the LLM integrations into apps people want, not an anthropomorphized assistant
ryandrake 4 hours ago|||
It's the "agency" bit that really annoys me. The Computer is no longer Personal. I expect my personal computer to only do things that I choose to invoke. It should not do a laundry list of things that the device manufacturer wants it to do, nor a laundry list of things the OS vendor wants it to do. I shouldn't have to turn things off. They shouldn't be on to begin with, unless I deliberately turned them on.

Of course this doesn't extend to obvious things like "running the kernel" and "initializing the filesystem." But in general I want to be the person responsible for running things, not some product manager 3,000 miles away in Silicon Valley.

tpmoney 2 hours ago|||
I think the fundamental problem is one person's "Only do the things I choose to invoke" is another person's "Why do I have to do all this stupid setup". Especially given that most people aren't computer people, and they want to use their computers to get other tasks done, not to be system administrators themselves.

Should your computer automatically build search indexes for your files? For most people, fast search is more useful than the disk space this takes up, but it would be doing something you didn't explicitly invoke.

Should your computer turn on global spell check (and even basic auto correct) for text fields? Again, you didn't invoke it explicitly, but most people probably think it's a good idea.

So you might say "well anything that just runs locally is ok" but even that's thorny. Obviously much of the AI stuff apple has been implementing is running locally and some of it has been around for a while (image classification in Photos for example). But not everyone wants the AI, even with local models.

And then there's things like "should your computer default to using NTP time?", again most people would probably say yes, especially given how important accurate time is for modern computer security. But it requires your computer doing network requests to make it work.

"Should your computer automatically check for updates?", again for most people the answer is probably "yes it should". But again it requires your computer to do network requests to make it all work.

"Should your computer automatically scan for malware?", probably yes it should, but keeping those malware lists up to date is going to require network requests and access.

There's always a tension between "being helpful and useful out of the box" and "doing stuff the OS vendor wants".

Anyone who wants an OS that does nothing out of the box is always free to grab any x86 box and install ArchLinux on it, but most people don't do that for the same reason that Spacemacs / Doom Emacs is more popular than a raw emacs install, and things like Sublime, or Notepad++ are more popular than those. Defaults matter a lot.

arcanemachiner 3 hours ago|||
> The Computer is no longer Personal. I expect my personal computer to only do things that I choose to invoke.

The internet and its consequences have been a disaster for the personal computer user.

wartywhoa23 2 hours ago|||
It's like saying that wind blows because trees sway.

There's clearly an agenda to double down on stripping away all remaining privacy. The internet as we knew it and remembered as free is just the medium to make that happen, if not purely a byproduct of this.

Terr_ 3 hours ago|||
Yeah, whatever happened to the personal computer, a kind of capital equipment available to the masses, something you own and can direct towards your goals and wellbeing?

Instead it's like we're sharecropping on a device companies have established as a colonial outpost to monitor us for profitable compliance.

throwaway27448 3 hours ago||
Comparing apple intelligence to a service that records your screen without consent feels extremely disingenuous.
Mindwipe 4 hours ago||
It's really frustrating that there is no ability to reclaim the drive space in MacOS 27, especially on Macbooks with M1 or M2 chips that can barely use the models. Another great sign of how the OS is deeply on fire IMO.
rvz 3 hours ago|
Especially iPhones.

You can’t determine what is taking up space on your iPhone in the “system data” or “Other” section in iOS. The only way to “reduce” it is to restore and wipe the phone.

That is a scam.

busymom0 2 hours ago||
My "system data" is taking up 193 GB.

Is my Mac doing something wrong here? Anyway to see what's inside?

https://i.imgur.com/YRQiaVm.png

todfox 3 hours ago||
The Write with Siri button that shows up whenever I select text is so obnoxious that I want to trash this fucking machine after 30+ years on the platform.
mmooss 41 minutes ago||
Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater! Apple has some impressive privacy technology for Apple Intelligence - including significant open source disclosure for public verification. If you trash them with the rest of the AI vendors, you deincentivize privacy for Apple and for the rest of them.

They describe it in great technical detail here (Private Cloud Compute (PCC) seems to be the server side of Apple Intelligence):

https://security.apple.com/documentation/private-cloud-compu...

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At the heart of it, they provide these guarantees:

https://security.apple.com/documentation/private-cloud-compu...

* Stateless Computation: "Private Cloud Compute must use the personal user data that it receives exclusively for the purpose of fulfilling the user’s request. User data must never be available to anyone other than the user, not even to Apple staff, not even during active processing. And user data must not be retained, including via logging or for debugging, after the response is returned to the user."

* Enforceable Gaurantees: "Security and privacy guarantees are strongest when they are entirely technically enforceable, which means it must be possible to constrain and analyze all the components that critically contribute to the guarantees of the overall Private Cloud Compute system. For example, it’s very difficult to reason about what a TLS-terminating load balancer might do with user data during a debugging session, so PCC must not depend on such external components for its core security and privacy guarantees. ..."

* No Privileged Runtime Access: PCC is designed without privileged interfaces that might expose user data.

* Non-Targetability: PCC is designed to ensure that an attacker cannot target specific PCC users.

* Verifiable Transparency: "security researchers must be able to verify the security and privacy guarantees of Private Cloud Compute, and they must be able to verify that the software that’s running in the PCC production environment is the same as the software they inspected when verifying the guarantees."

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago||
Why did they nerf the keyboard interface to Siri?

Before, it was ⌘⌘ and you could type out something for Siri to fuck up. Now, we have to turn off “Hey Siri” and then click on the Siri app or meander our way through Spotlight.

I talk to my phone. I type to my laptop.

petu 3 hours ago||
> meander our way through Spotlight

By that you mean that just typing prompt into Spotlight doesn't work reliably? For me after few words "Ask Siri" is first result.

JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago||
It’s a laggy modal. For the operating system’s native-sometimes-local AI, I’d have expected something snappier.
wat10000 4 hours ago||
Cmd-space, type, done.
lynndotpy 3 hours ago||
I'm not sure what configuration you have, but this does not send requests to Siri a-la the "cmd-cmd <type to siri>" flow.
wat10000 3 hours ago||
It does as long as you've typed something that doesn't match an app. "Safari" and enter will open Safari. "What is safari" and enter will ask Siri the question and show the answer.
JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago||
> does as long as you've typed something that doesn't match an app

A check which, at least on my beloved 2020 M1 MacBook Pro, involves a noticeable delay.

sandblast 2 hours ago||
Maybe you could set up an Alfred workflow for that using a special hotkey? And then you could use Karabiner-Elements to invoke that when you double-tap Cmd.

Not ideal, I know, but at least something.

JumpCrisscross 1 hour ago||
I’m building a local thing with Letta. Going to bind it to that.
reaperducer 3 hours ago|
Missing from Apple's list is the feature that suggest filenames.

At first, it was very cool and did a good job with plain text files, and even a PDF. Then it munged the names of several hundred files I was working with that was each named with a street address.

Finder → Settings → Suggest file names