Posted by xnx 20 hours ago
Neither the foreign-born population nor the proportion of foreign-born individuals say anything about the “current immigration”.
But I guess it works, because nowhere is “immigration” defined either…
>If we look at the number of foreign-born residents, the 2024 estimate was the highest in the Census Bureau’s series, which stretches back to 1850. So, on that measure, the 2024 figure was unprecedented.
Inclusive of legal/illegal.
Federal immigration policy didn't really get going until the 1870s (notwithstanding some toothless laws passed in the 1860s), and IIRC it wasn't until the 1880s that the Federal government created ports of entry to process immigrants, including creating a system to reject immigrants.
I mention this because I think the ~20 year time lag between the first wave of large scale immigration and immigration becoming a major political issue, including the rise of anti-immigration sentiments and policies, is notable. Not necessarily for anything specific, just that it's interesting how history rhymes.
> Relative to the total population, the share of immigrants in 2024 was approximately the same as in 1890. If we only look at the last few decades, we miss this historical perspective — there have been periods where immigrants made up a similarly large share of the country.
I expect the answer has to do wit higher populations, easier transport, increased knowledge of emmigration opportunities via presence of the Internet, climate change, and globalization.
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Both sides do it, but that's a prime example of one of the popular ones from one side.
But if the dominant immigration flows to the U.S. were like Cubans in Florida (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2026/8/14/the-party-...), I strongly suspect we would be talking about how wealthy Republicans favor immigrants for cheap labor.
Although I agree with you that non-white immigration has had the effect of making the electorate more paternalistic, my guess is that most on the Left would be disappointed to learn that.
The pro-immigrant Left must believe that the immigration helps in the fight against oppression somehow or that it helps the immigrants while not harming the US. I think particularly that they reject (as racist) any suggestion that non-white immigration might harm or diminish the US in any substantial or lasting way.
Some of the comment on HN over the years claim that immigration is essential to keep the US from collapsing (although I don't know whether that view has any influence among Washington decisionmakers). If someone believes that US whites got most of their wealth and privileges by extracting labor from non-whites, then it starts to make sense to believe that the US economy is structurally dependent on exploitation and consequently needs a steady stream of non-white immigrants to extract labor from. (Maybe for example he believes that the children of immigrants are less exploitable than their parents because for example going to college in the US insulates a person from most forms of oppression.)
- isnt everyone else just an immigrant?
I'm a Bangladeshi immigrant married to an Anglo-American. Almost everything about America reflects her culture, not mine. At home, we speak the language her ancestors spoke, not mine. We're both lawyers. We deal with concepts her ancestors developed over the past 800 years, not mine. Our kids grow up learning things like individualism, which is a concept her ancestors developed, not mine. She's descended from settlers, whereas I'm an immigrant. It's like the Last Samurai, where Tom Cruise's character settles down with the Japanese woman. He's an immigrant, but she's not an immigrant--even though technically Yamato people came to Japan from the Korean peninsula: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yayoi_people.
In fact it's even starker because the United States borrows almost nothing from the Indian nations that existed on the land before it, while the Jomon people had a much larger influence on present-day Japan.
Given the amount of these foodstuffs that are produced today, Native Americans are probably more important to modern US culture than most European immigrant nations.
Mexican culture is more visibly influenced by its native ancestors, so via Mexicans and “Hispanics” the US also has a strong connection.
Law is a domain that has very few native-inspired aspects, probably because it traces its roots to England and the old Saxon and French traditions, but your domain is a bit special there.
One might argue that the legal system, as it was brought by the conquerors, naturally has little representation of the conquered.
Afaik anthropology as a field tends to differ: Food is a strong marker of cultural adhesion and identity. Jewish, Muslim and Brahmin food traditions may serve as an example here.
Though this is beside the point. I wanted to point out strong Native American contributions to what one would consider the modern US American identity.
The point is that most of culture lies beneath the surface and food is a very superficial indicator of it. Eating corn doesn’t mean you share anything really meaningful with Native Americans. My wife grew up eating Japanese food because her dad is a Japanophile. But she’s not meaningfully culturally Japanese in any way.
