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Posted by possibilistic 16 hours ago

Spymarks, Not Watermarks(brand.io)
584 points | 139 commentspage 4
ForHackernews 5 hours ago|
> A spymark is a hidden signal that makes your work traceable without your knowledge or consent.

It's not "your work" it's the bloody AI's work! That's the whole point.

NostrComments 1 hour ago||
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Jeff2Serve 5 hours ago||
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vladsiu 11 hours ago||
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in_absentia 14 hours ago||
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__MatrixMan__ 14 hours ago||
The US government has successfully used this technology to find and punish whistleblowers. It's not just about AI.

Hidden side channels of any kind, not under the user's control, should be looked upon with suspicion.

Joel_Mckay 13 hours ago||
The natural manufacturing defects in all image sensors uniquely identify normal media. Post once to a friend over mms or a social media service... and your ninja life is burned.

These kids and their foreign contractor run VPN services are naive about depth-charge Steganography. Privacy has been dead for years. =3

__MatrixMan__ 1 hour ago||
When I search for "depth-charge Steganography" I find... this thread and nothing else. So I think most people are ignorant of it. Is there a typo? Or is it so secret that the web hasn't heard of it? If the latter, then I think you just blew its cover.
Joel_Mckay 7 minutes ago||
It is a class of exploits, and was covered many times before publicly.

Don't worry about it... Have a nice day, =3

EmbarrassedHelp 13 hours ago||
Based on how easy it is to make these watermarks encode personal information, its basically guaranteed that people are going to use it for privacy violations and surveillance.
the_gipsy 8 hours ago||
> Why give it a new name?

> > Because I always wanted to coin something. Please don't forget me.

mirelahmd 16 hours ago||
There have been quite a few similar
TeMPOraL 9 hours ago|
Privacy is always the most popular for some reason, but also the least consequential and relevant angle in the real life.

Watermarks are not "spymarks". They're DRM. I wouldn't worry about advertisers tracking conversions. I would worry about the "analog hole" being closed. Think of no longer being able to even photograph your phone screen, because pixels on it carry digital watermark that's robust enough to survive being photographed - I.e. the kind currently used to tag AI generated images - and then every phone and computer refusing to display resulting photo because the app disallowed capturing its pixels.

AnthonyMouse 7 hours ago|
The actual problem in your scenario isn't the watermarks, it's people not being in control of their own devices. When that's the case you're already screwed. When it's not, the watermarks are just data you can ignore if you want to.
TeMPOraL 3 hours ago||
We've long lost the part about control of our devices. We're fighting last futile battles to turn the tide back on mobile, and save PCs from extinction. But that's like a fraction of tech around us today, and everything else is already out of our control.