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Posted by pier25 1 hour ago

People Training OpenAI's AI Fired for Using AI to Train the AI(www.404media.co)
32 points | 19 comments
jrflo 29 minutes ago|
Clickbait title, they fired contractors for using AI to label data, which defeats the purpose of labeling data in this case.
ergl 5 minutes ago||
> they fired contractors for using AI to label data

Is your objection to the word “train” in headline? Otherwise, you’re just restating the headline while calling it clickbait (which, btw, it’s not, perhaps you meant to say it is misleading, which is a different thing.)

lemmetellya 20 minutes ago||
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in_absentia 51 minutes ago||
So OpenAI is not a believer in recursive self-improvement after all?
jrflo 29 minutes ago||
Read the article, that's not what this is about. Title is clickbait, they fired contractors for using AI to label data when the whole point of labeling data is to distill human knowledge into weights, not distill weights into weights.
in_absentia 7 minutes ago|||
You're replying to a joke, and yes, that's all it's about. For all the tales of rapid self-improvement, all labs are real careful not to taint their precious training sets with anything that comes out of their systems. Website reputation modeling, fingerprints in generated text, firing contractors that rely on AI.

I've been told on HN about a year ago that the era of scraping is over and that it's all AI-training-AI now. My web server logs and stories like that disagree.

pfortuny 7 minutes ago||||
That is exactly what "training AI" needs: labeled data.
beepbooptheory 6 minutes ago|||
What is the other way to interpret the title in your mind?
liquicity 28 minutes ago|||
They’re a believer, but they won’t be paying third parties for that once it becomes feasible
gadders 37 minutes ago||
I think people want the service they are paying for.
hmokiguess 46 minutes ago||
Makes sense, they are buying distillation of human brains not their own weights.
arceister 9 minutes ago||
yo dawg
wpasc 3 minutes ago|
pimp my agent
jakozaur 45 minutes ago||
Typically, for AI training, you need human feedback. If AI were enough, then OpenAI would do it themselves. Though we all know how bad AI slop is, running it in a loop can lead to unreadable sentences.

They hired contractors on the condition that they provide human feedback without AI; those people broke the rules, so their contracts ended prematurely.

Not sure why this is news uncovered by an investigative journalist.

dgellow 34 minutes ago||
How is it a failure of journalistic understanding? They seem to say pretty much the same as you
fwlr 24 minutes ago||
“Suppose the government puts a certain drug in the water supply … A couple of conspiracy nuts say it makes your fingers fall off one by one, but the government says that’s ridiculous … However, government employees are all observed drinking bottled water exclusively, and if anyone suggests that government employees might also want to take the completely innocuous drug, they freak out … If by chance you manage to slip a little bit of tap water into a government employee’s drink, and he finds out about it, he runs around shrieking like a banshee and occasionally yelling “AAAAAAH! MY FINGERS! MY PRECIOUS FINGERS!”. At some point you might start to wonder whether the government was being entirely honest with you.”

What is it, exactly, that makes AI-generated text so poisonous to AIs but totally harmless to humans? What is mode/model collapse, and why can it only happen to AIs with too much AI text in their training data and not to, say, human students with too much AI text in their textbooks? The people who know the most about this phenomenon seem much more careful about contamination than they are encouraging us to be.

yunwal 18 minutes ago||
I don't think anyone is saying it's poisonous here? The people were hired to do a job and they didn't do it. Feels like you're being disingenuous, if there's one thing i know about AI employees, it's that they use LLMs, like, all the time.
VCFundedGenYer 48 minutes ago||
Bubble bursting behavior in action - AI company that pushes everyone to use AI, replace everything and everyone with AI, fires people for using AI to make the AI.

The more you think about it, the worse it gets.

kwartel 3 minutes ago||
Fires people for using AI to label data. That is something that has always been clear from the start is something that needs to be done by humans.
dgellow 30 minutes ago||
Earlier this year it was so dissonant to see so many companies explaining how they are going to replace their engineers with AI from both OpenAI and Anthropic, while both companies were instead (and are still) hiring all the human talent they could
mgaldys4 5 minutes ago|
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