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Posted by sohkamyung 10 hours ago

OpenAI GPT–6 Astra breaks Enigma message that has resisted solution since 2005(www.cryptocellar.org)
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BubbleRings 8 hours ago|
I want to know more about the “private collection” that the AI accessed. To me that is the scary quote from the article. Sounds like the AI found a resource that it found useful for breaking encryption challenges, and it wants to keep it to itself, maybe. Which sounds like the opening to a dystopian movie.
dyauspitr 5 hours ago||
So what is this? Esoteric cypher that no one has seriously tried to break or a new tier of frontier ability?
rhelz 8 hours ago||
Turing would be so proud.
EGreg 9 hours ago||
How about Voynich manuscript
IAmGraydon 5 hours ago|
I thought about this too. Surely, someone has already run it through the newest models...
ekjhgkejhgk 9 hours ago||
I didn't know this - from wikipedia page on Enigma[1]:

> Despite the seeming difficulty in decrypting its messages, Enigma contained a number of design issues that left patterns in the cyphertext. Poland first cracked the machine as early as December 1932 and was able to read messages prior to and into the war. Poland's sharing of their achievements enabled the Allies to exploit Enigma-enciphered messages as a major source of intelligence.

Ok interesting, so why do people talk about Turing in this connection then?

> Turing devised techniques for speeding the breaking of German ciphers, including improvements to the pre-war Polish bomba method, an electromechanical machine that could find settings for the Enigma machine

Ok so Turing just improved an existing method. Without being an actual expert it's impossible to know how much credit he actually deserves.

Two more references: the Polish method was called "Bomba" [3] invented by Marian Rejewski [4]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomba_(cryptography)

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Rejewski

pitaj 9 hours ago|
There were two lines of enigma machines. IIRC the naval ones were much more difficult to crack, which is what Turing was instrumental in solving.
ekjhgkejhgk 4 hours ago||
I think you're right!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma-M4

trixn86 9 hours ago||
Without the published conversation, train-of-thought and intermediate output and knowing what Astra did this is nothing but unfounded claims. In the end this could have been a web search, downloading an existing enigma simulator and trying out some rather obvious things. Also what does "resisted resolution" even mean? Have there even been serious attempts to decipher the message? How serious?

Also: Why should we assume Terra, GLM or any other less SOTA and less expensive model wouldn't have been able to do the same?

oh_no 9 hours ago|
Why do you think this uncracked code was so simple to solve?

And it's very possible Terra or GLM could crack it, turn off their web access and try yourself.

trixn86 9 hours ago||
> Why do you think this uncracked code was so simple to solve?

I never said this. All I said is we don't have the conversation and therefore we can't determine how easy or hard of a problem it was.

> And it's very possible Terra or GLM could crack it, turn off their web access and try yourself.

I'm questioning why this should be labeled "Astra" breaking anything implying it required "the best" model to do it when in fact any other half-decent model might have been able to do this as well.

EDIT: Okay seems like the actual prompt is published, just not on the same article that was linked. Maybe I'll give it a try.

mannyv 8 hours ago||
AI skeptics: "let's move the goalposts again, since the AI scored at the last location."
yigalirani 9 hours ago||
they solve all these math problems by stealing people prompts
pixl97 9 hours ago|
You say all these words by stealing other peoples letters.
yigalirani 8 hours ago||
lol that is not at all what i am saying
partiallypro 7 hours ago|
Can we get it to solve the Zodiac cyphers?
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