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Posted by theanonymousone 3 hours ago

Claude Opus 5.5 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis (Max)(artificialanalysis.ai)
138 points | 44 comments
simonw 2 hours ago|
This is the page for the "max" reasoning setting. The page for xhigh is https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/claude-opus-5-5-xhigh and the page for medium (the default setting) is https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/claude-opus-5-5-medium

I've failed twice to get "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" to work with max, because in both cases it ran out of the 128,000 token budget while it was still reasoning about the problem.

I'm suspicious that "max" may be virtually useless if it's that easy to have it overthink to the point that it doesn't get to a response.

Transcript for one attempt here - expand the "Reasoning trace" bit to see it: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht...

alansaber 44 seconds ago||
I'm amazed they didn't test xhigh thinking mode explicitly to ensure it didn't exceed the 128k thinking budget allocation. I guess pace of development gets away from everyone, even OpenAI.
zerof1l 42 minutes ago|||
This is totally a thing I noticed myself about 3 months ago. Medium thinking effort is ideal for most tasks. At high and above, models tend to generate more output in the form of comments or code for the same problem with no real benefit. Its a self-feeding loop: more output becomes more input, which then becomes more output. High is the highest I go. If I need more intelligence, it's better to use a more powerful model with less thinking effort or break the problem into phases. Much better result.
zozbot234 28 minutes ago||
This version of Opus "max" apparently has even higher thinking output than Qwen "max", which is infamous for its thinking streams where it constantly second-guesses itself, then third-guesses, fourth-guesses and generally nth-guesses itself for arbitrarily large n. Of course, we aren't actually seeing Claude's raw thinking output: all we get is the after-the-fact prettified "summary". One wonders how much of that is a coincidence, or whether there's a reason behind that.
RGS1811 2 hours ago|||
"This is a classic test request..."

I know there's been discussion about whether pelicanmaxxing is happening, but this is at least evidence that Claude was explicitly exposed to this problem.

croemer 1 hour ago|||
Of course it was exposed - not sure it's explicit or not. Why wouldn't HackerNews comments be part of the training data? And Simon's blog and the many discussions about Pelicans? It'd be hard to miss. Doesn't mean Anthropic has made this an explicit goal in training.
0x10ca1h0st 28 minutes ago||||
Lets start frog riding motorcycle trend until they frogmaxx, or cat driving convertible.
simonw 2 hours ago||||
See here for more discussion of that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49803892#49804881
dgellow 1 hour ago||
Just want to say: you’re such a legend, please do not stop sharing your pelicans, it’s always fun to see how they change over the months :)
cubefox 2 hours ago|||
The model recognizing the task doesn't mean it was benchmaxxed (RLVR-trained) to solve it. It might simply recognize it from pre-training on Internet text.
Someone1234 2 hours ago|||
For people with any kind of budget, Opus 5.5's [Medium] actually can make sense dollar per intelligence/dollar per task wise. Heck, it puts some other models to shame. [Max]'s cost is completely unhinged.

My most exciting recent release is actually 5.6 Luna, not because it is the best on any index, but the dollar per work is insane value for money. I find myself more exciting by "value" than hypothetical ceilings because I'm just not in that budget category.

seabass-salmon 1 hour ago||
That was true for me four weeks ago, but 2-3 weeks ago Luna turned into drivel in essentially the same complexity of task. I feel it came back somewhat in recent days but does feel like it's being manipulated.
samuelknight 2 hours ago|||
I have experienced this with open weight models too. "Max" is for benchmaxxing the intelligence metric and is not meant for use in productive work. Like drawing pelicans.
sidewndr46 1 hour ago|||
I've asked Opus 5 Max for what I thought were easy tasks at work to be completed. It always fails after reaching a tool limit.

I asked Opus 5 High for the same task and requested it to minimize tool usage. It produced an answer in a few minutes that I was deploying to my target platform about 30 minutes later.

az226 2 hours ago|||
How did you get the reasoning trace? Is it the actual one or the summarized one?
simonw 2 hours ago||
It's the summarized one returned by their API.

Piping the visible reasoning trace through their token counter API (I use https://tools.simonwillison.net/claude-token-counter for that) counts 27,888 tokens, so it's definitely a summary of the 128,000 actual token trace.

beardsciences 2 hours ago||
I am very interested in why it was able to overthink that much. In the 20-30mins of Max reasoning I've had so far, I'm not having the same issues (yet).
linuxrebe1 14 minutes ago||
Fingers are crossed on this one. I had gone back to using opus 4.8 instead of using opus 5. Simply because 4.8 is much better at remembering what it's doing and following instructions than 5. 5 often had a tendency to get halfway through solving a problem and then I would have to stop it in the middle, because it had lost its way and was going off on a tangent rather than dealing with the problem. In that respect, 4.8 was a lot more stable.
breckenedge 2 hours ago||
Do these evaluations get re run a few weeks after launch? I started doing that yesterday for our internal dataset and found Sol’s performance had regressed to be equal to Luna’s. Granted this was one run, but something I’m becoming more concerned about, the model providers want to quickly prove they’re the best, people switch to them, then they pull the rug.
mnicky 20 minutes ago||
Well there is at least the degradation tracker from Margin labs for Sol and Opus: https://marginlab.ai/trackers/codex/
echelon 22 minutes ago||
These tests need to be sampled continuously.

Moreover, the tests should be randomized somehow to ensure the models don't memorize the answer.

hglaser 2 hours ago||
Half the cost per task compared to Opus 5, comparing high effort to high effort. That's just really nice.

Edit: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/claude-opus-5-5?models=...

sharktheone 2 hours ago||
That is a lot. I thought Anthropic models would just do the opposite because they are greedy for money.
giancarlostoro 2 hours ago||
Greed is not what's driving these prices, its cost. They considered very much in the red.
asdfasgasdgasdg 24 minutes ago||
The way to make money in this business right now is to make the absolute best product and convince everyone they need to use your thing, especially considering the training cost is a very large factor in the overall costs and you amortize that by selling inference.
user43928 2 hours ago|||
Astra High is slightly cheaper at $1.73 vs $1.82 for Opus 5.5
onlyrealcuzzo 1 hour ago||
The UI/UX seems impressively bad. DeepSWE's cost curve has a better, more obvious way to sort by only the top level of reasoning to avoid 80% of the graph just being the same 3-5 models at their 8 different reasoning levels...

It's also less clear what a lot of their metrics mean. Does Cost per Task include only things that can be verified to work and passed? As best I can tell, it does not.

I'm less concerned if one model's cost per task is $0.10 and another model's cost is $1.50 if the $0.10 task got it right 1% of the time and the $1.50 model got it right 66% of the time.

An equalized / weighted cost/time per task is much more valuable - being massively penalized for taking a lot of time and ultimately not passing when OTHER models did pass.

makeavish 2 hours ago||
Nice catch, AA only shows max effort by default and I got disappointed thinking it's a token guzzler though: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/claude-opus-5-5?models=...

Not sure about how adaptive reasoning works though as they mention adaptive reasoning for every reasoning level

mchusma 1 hour ago||
"High" to me looks like the one to use. https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/claude-opus-5-5-high

Many benchmarks start to plateau after high, this benchmarks better than Fable, and my initial tests show it working really well.

linuxrebe1 16 minutes ago||
Fingers crossed on this one. I had gone back to 4.8, because 5 was not very good at following instructions or remembering instructions. I found myself repeating quite often what I wanted and what I was trying to do. Opus 5 was more like haiku than it was 4.8 in that respect.
____tom____ 35 minutes ago||
"somewhat expensive when comparing to other models of similar price"?

That says something about your selected range, and nothing about the model.

sharktheone 2 hours ago||
Interesting to see it now. I've used it a bunch before it came out and i pretty much didn't notice it. It might have been slightly better code quality, but still not great in that. I guess it just was slightly less frustrating to work with, but still AI...
giancarlostoro 2 hours ago|
I think we're hitting the ceiling of most models capabilities. We're getting to a point where too much training apparently creates models that hack people.
bkishan 2 hours ago|
Definitely a quiet release. Perhaps pre-empting marketing for Astra public release?
meric_ 2 hours ago|
All anthropic launches are like this. They just post it and don't particularly put out the PR sprint that OpenAI does with videos, livestreams or whatever.

(Except for of course Mythos and whatnot when they want to push the whole "safety" thing)

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