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Posted by Flimm 1 day ago

Obscura: VPN that can't log your activity(obscura.com)
194 points | 139 commentspage 3
ChocolateGod 1 day ago|
Your traffic is still unencrypted by the VPN provider at the other end of the Wireguard connection, I am not sure how this changes that?
tbtech_vn 1 day ago||
That's really cool, but perhaps a bit overkill for the typical no-log quick access variant, so shameless plug here even if it primarily is for autonomous agents.

https://x402socks.com

Wowfunhappy 1 day ago||
> Exit servers (run by Mullvad) connect you to the internet but never see your personal info. Obscura masks your real IP address when relaying to the exit server.

How is this possible? If the exit server doesn't know your IP, how does it know where to send the traffic?

dongcarl 1 day ago|
(Carl from Obscura here)

Basically:

Your device <-> Obscura Relay <-> Mullvad Exit <-> Internet

So the exit server knows the IP of the Obscura Relay, but never sees your device's IP, lmk if that's clear!

abbracadabbra 1 day ago||
Great signup flow, except there’s an error when it comes to installing the app at the end. Worked around by installing manually via app store
dorongrinstein 1 day ago||
I love the website, messaging and idea. Well done. if you guys need a place to host, please consider controlplane.com
saligne 1 day ago||
i'd like to see some more info about the quic as obfuscation claim. imo this isn't really useful for people living in countries with restrictive firewalls. quic is blocked or throttled quite easily.
MassPikeMike 1 day ago||
I hate to be the one to throw stones at an outfit that is trying to do something good, protecting people's privacy.

But the claim in Obscura's FAQ that paying with Bitcoin or Monero offers more privacy than paying with a credit card is sadly misguided. No-KYC cryptocurrency is largely a thing of the past, and outfits like Chainanalysis can associate a Lightning or Monero address to a human with near-perfect accuracy. The fact that Obscura's FAQ doesn't acknowledge this makes me feel like its author was either pretending this is not the case, or is unaware of it. Either of those is pretty bad.

Mullvad lets customers sign up for an account and pay in cash, which is a good, privacy-preserving choice. In the US, payment by postal money order or by gift card, either of which can be purchased with cash, would also be good choices. Users, and Obscura, should not be fooled by some vague association of cryptocurrency and privacy. In the age of ubiquitous KYC that ship has sailed with the possible exception of ZCash. And I wouldn't bet my life on ZCash, either.

teravor 1 day ago||
> Chainanalysis can associate a Monero address to a human with near-perfect accuracy

citation needed.

that said, the anonymity set in monero for the moment is 16 per transaction and isn't zero knowledge (a quantum adversary can view the transaction graph but not the amounts) which isn't ideal. they are apparently working on changing this.

LoganDark 1 day ago||
Bisq exists, I've been using it for years to obtain Bitcoin and Monero for DNM stuff, it's pretty okay. I did prefer LocalMonero for swapping, before they shut down.

Lately Bisq's been going through some bullshit, a few months ago they had a security issue and they shut the whole network down by setting it to require a version of the software that didn't exist for weeks, and lately they've been requiring mandatory updates every week or so. It does work by having you make money transfers to total strangers, revealing your full details, but it's the best I've found.

IIRC, Bisq 2 is for buying your very first BTC in small amounts at a premium (a Matrix chatroom still also exists for this), Bisq 1 is for buying larger amounts at closer to cost but requires a security deposit first.

iAMkenough 1 day ago||
Basically a middle-man for a Mullvad VPN, where if Mullvad decides to pull out of their agreement with this company, you lose your connection and are hopefully refunded.

The single point of failure for this product is Mullvad and its leadership's changing opinions.

dgellow 1 day ago||
Obscura itself is also a point of failure
DANmode 1 day ago||
To make that sound like a risk, not a benefit.
VCFundedGenYer 1 day ago||
Many VPNs don't log activity. Headline is objectively false.
Flimm 1 day ago|
The claim isn't merely that Obscura doesn't log activity. The claim is that Obscura is unable to, because it is a relay to another VPN provider Mullvad. That is distinct from other VPN providers.
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