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Posted by bashbjorn 17 hours ago

Jev in 25 Lines of Python(www.nobodywho.ai)
629 points | 197 commentspage 5
tracyhenry 7 hours ago|
This, like the hype of Jev on Twitter, totally ignores accuracy and generality across domains.

In my experience even structured LLM output performs poorly on classifier tasks. LLMs are trained to talk and think longer. If you don't give LLM enough space to reason it would become very dumb.

I'm not saying that Jev is way better, but that people way overindexed cost and speed.

imranq 10 hours ago||
This guy just seems a bit salty
max979 12 hours ago||
This makes me wonder about using Jevko for configuration instead of YAML, especially with such a compact parser.
marcy_74 13 hours ago||
Reminds me of my own tiny Lisp interpreter attempts; that moment when it first evaluates a simple expression is pure magic.
nlpnerd 5 hours ago||
This is basically Temu Jev
shawabawa3 16 hours ago||
strong "You can build dropbox quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem" vibes

You have built something like jev but not jev (for starters, the output of what you've built will be absolutely worthless, the whole reason Jev is getting so much hype is because the output is good enough)

redwood 12 hours ago|
You beat me to it!
heaney-555 17 hours ago||
Latency and compute comparison needed.
thephyber 16 hours ago|
Is benchmarking Jev still a ToS violation?
ricardobeat 16 hours ago||
Was it? That would make it unusable in any corporate setting.
thephyber 14 hours ago||
I heard it was and just repeated what I heard.

A Google AI prompt says

> TypeSafe AI's Master Customer Agreement explicitly prohibits using the services or model outputs to develop a competing product, perform model distillation, or reverse engineer the service, which generally restricts competitive benchmarking aimed at replicating the model.

It doesn't explicitly prohibit benchmarking by name, but the previous terms (which seem aimed at preventing Jev being used to increase the value of competitive products) does seem to lean that direction.

That said, MsSQL had terms which prevented publishing benchmarks which compared it against other SQL DBs and that wasn't enough to prevent some companies from using it.

Why anyone would want to work for a company who thought so little of their own product that it couldn't stand up to customers using it for normal business processes is beyond me.

the_duke 12 hours ago||
Oracle also famously forbids posting public benchmarks of the DB.
qainsights 10 hours ago||
THis is not Jev.
revexos 15 hours ago|
Startup coming out of 2 years of stealth to be reproduced this easily
samusiam 14 hours ago|
It wasn't
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