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Posted by meander_water 1 day ago

I am done with this shit(www.reddit.com)
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meerita 1 day ago|
I wonder if having a good account plan, a good ruleset, and a nice graph of the entire platform would give me tremendous leverage with companies like that. Nothing beats a swarm of agents checking everything, running multiple probes, and finding the best solution for every problem, including generating all the questions stakeholders need to answer before proceeding.

I believe I would end up enjoying life more while everything gets solved through agentic development.

If I compare this with my previous companies (publicly valued companies), I would definitely be on vacation while still delivering perfect PRs and features in a matter of hours, instead of the 2-3 week timelines it took me and my team in the past.

112233 1 day ago||
> and finding the best solution for every problem

Genuinely: how? Share some insights. So far I have seen anything exceeding about 2k lines of text in the context diverge. Meaning, throwing more LLM at it rapidly baloons the size at the expense of internal coherence. Things become stale, hallucinated, duplicated and outright faked. Only thing that works is constant manual intervention and pruning of the generated slop.

Not only these things are unable to find "best solution", they are unable to find any solution. Instead (especially for Opus) they seem optimized to convince user that the task is accomplished.

meerita 1 day ago||
I crafted my own /investigate skill. Think of it as a version of /grill-me where you propose an investigation and dig into it until you come up with a spec backed by evidence.

My investigation skill can create one, two, or dozens of probes with benchmarks. Once you're confident in the solution, you can plan and author the investigation, then execute it phase by phase.

- Post https://www.minid.net/2026/7/14/how-to-automatise-with-ai

- GitHub repo with examples of skills and rules. https://github.com/meerita/monorepo-nextjs-golang-rust-pytho...

mydreamof 10 hours ago|||
bro agent scripts doesn't matter at all imo
cyanydeez 1 day ago||
HR and the lawyers would tell you that it is all company property. Make any of it at work? Company property. Bring it into work to do company work, company property.

Whatever miracle maker you're talking about, if it exists, should be making you money so, it's either doing that, is a weird train hobby, or a delusion.

meerita 1 day ago||
Unless you're building the next OpenAI or Google, I wouldn't care HR and lawyers. But it is always wise to work on personal stuff on your free time, personal computers, etc.
cyanydeez 1 day ago||
yeah, but if whatever the guy was talking to is something other than a toy hobby, if it's the foundation of real business value, almost any moderately sized business would fight you about ownership.
meerita 1 day ago||
They will have really hard to prove that.
cyanydeez 20 hours ago||
all they need is more lawyers than sense. To grow a business, thats typically what you need also!
spike021 1 day ago||
No sense of victory?

I'm still surprised sometimes at how rapidly I can prototype something. Is it always shippable? No. But something that would've taken me an amount of time I can't afford to is much quicker.

This past weekend I decided to build an iOS app as a personal project. Normally I wouldn't have the time to work on one like that but I was able to get a working POC that is actually usable for my trivial use case in a matter of hours.

I'd call that a victory.

mitxela 1 day ago||
For pure design space exploration that can be a victory, equivalent to sketching a UI on paper being faster than making it in HTML, but is that the work you're actually doing most of the time? Maybe for some people it is.
cyanydeez 1 day ago||
But none of that pays the bills. The context is entirely about how people get paid for this stuff and, that's turning it into a commodity, and saying that "my AI talks to their AI" is pretty close to saying "my job is redundant"
tasuki 1 day ago||
Well that was the point all along.

People writing software have been automating others away for a long time. The "I'll replace you with a short shell script" attitude. It's not surprising nor especially unfair we get the same treatment.

kode-targz 1 day ago||
Because there's people who care about the craft, and there's people who don't.

I don't see any kind of AI-assisted coding as making anything. You didn't build that iOS app, Claude did. Maybe you can delude yourself into feeling some kind of pride or contentment in it and somehow think you built it but a lot of us who actually have a passion for the domain can't.

Imagine you're a carpenter. You've spent decades honing your skills, countless incomplete or borked projects that were recycled for newer better ones, the skin on your fingers and hands have become tougher and rough like sand paper due to how the majority of your waking hours are spent manipulating wood. Now, someone gives that carpenter a machine that you can tell it your idea for any wood object and it just spits it out in a couple minutes and charges you a few bucks. The carpenter says, out of curiosity, "make me the roof in the Chapel of San Idelfonso", and after a little while, it spits out a nearly perfect copy of that magnum opus. Any real carpenter would probably be disgusted, or at least feel a deep void inside them and nothing but disinterest in the machine. They'd just go back to their workshop and leave the machine outside. But that's probably because nobody becomes a carpenter to chase the current hype thing and to make money; they have passion, just like our engineers used to.

Kiro 1 day ago|||
Why are carpenters always the example in these arguments? I know a framing carpenter and I've never heard anyone whine more about their job than he does.
swader999 1 day ago||
Construction was never the best metaphor for programming. The compiler constructs the code. Software dev is closer to building architecture than construction.
spike021 1 day ago||||
One of my favorite Youtube channels, Mighty Car Mods, had a video a while back where they chose to use all hand tools for one of their car build projects instead of power tools.

For guys like those you can't really make an argument that they don't care about the craft when they use power tools 90% of the time normally.

So are LLMs a short cut? sure. Does that mean people using them don't care about the craft? not necessarily.

I'd love to spend more time actually learning iOS development. It's just that I work in a different area for my regular job and when I get home I don't have the time (due to various responsibilities) to sit down and spend adequate time on iOS.

yaro330 1 day ago||||
You're not the carpenter though, the code you wrote can rarely do things on its own, you need a toolchain or an interpreter, or something to run it with. Toolchains use your code as rough reference, turning you into a designer/architect. I don't endorse it when people fully offload development to LLMs, that's lazy and irresponsible, but how I see most devs use it (not the loud minority) it's just another tool in the arsenal. If it lets you skip the annoying steps and focus on the logic - excellent, great, I'm not great at Java, i don't know all of its built in APIs, I can ask an LLM that I need this and this API to communicate with C++ layer, perform the following logic, output the following logs, after which I can audit and validate the code to the best of my ability. Is that such a bad thing? Did a caveman with a stick reject the hammer and the axe?
ljm 1 day ago||||
Disingenuous analogy, because you're taking the work of a carpenter and then jumping all the way to a Star Trek style replicator, which is daft.

The jump from writing code by hand to having a machine learning algorithm compute code for you is not the same as that. We had tags, syntax highlighting, auto-completion, word suggestion (via dictionary), intellisense, enhanced auto-completions via snippets, natural language processing, language servers, etc. etc. throughout the decades and an LLM is still not a Star Trek style replicator.

Now, it might have taken a blacksmith a hell of a long time to work various kinds of metal to order, but then someone got the idea of creating a mould so you could make more of them at once. Then later on technology advances and you can now machine it to ridiculously high precision with CNC. Now the person who writes CNC code for a high precision part might not be the same person who has to work another metal part manually.

Did the machines do that or did they? And why exactly does that distinction matter? Half the code I write depends on stuff hundreds or thousands of others have built before me.

senordevnyc 1 day ago|||
I think it depends on what you mean by "the craft".

I understand the sentiments, genuinely. I do miss the feelings of carefully crafting a great piece of code. There was a genuine sense of accomplishment there. I still get a sense of accomplishment from agentic development, but it's different. It feels more similar to when you've steered a team of people who are actually doing the work, and then the final product gets delivered. I never touched the actual work, but my input / steering / taste / direction / etc. was a big part of what was delivered. And now we have the solution that we wanted.

If you got into this field because you like to hand-write code, and that's what you view as your craft, then yeah, I think you probably are in a tough spot. There's always the opportunity to do that on your own time, just like I'm sure the vast majority of woodworkers today are doing it for fun, not as their profession.

But if you're in this field because you have a passion for building things that solve problems (you know, engineering), if that's what you view as your craft, I don't think there's any shortage of opportunities to practice your craft.

card_zero 1 day ago|||
The hand-written code solves problems. Many of those are problems about how to write code. In your world, these are apparently invalidated as problems now, due to becoming less profitable: by "problem" you mean "profitable problem". Is chasing after profitable problems noble and special, I don't know, it serves demand, demand matters somewhat, fine then. But it's not the epitome of problem-solving.
senordevnyc 1 day ago||
The hand-written code solves problems. Many of those are problems about how to write code.

But what is code for? I don't know that I think there's any inherent value to code for its own sake. Just like I don't think a tool's value can be separated from what you do with it.

I'm not sure where the "profitable" part comes from. I know lots of people who have vibe coded little apps that solve a problem for them or their friends and family. There's no profit involved, but it solved a problem.

Can you give an example of a problem worth solving for which there is truly no demand? I don't understand that, because to me it seems like the demand is what makes a problem a problem. Otherwise it's just a state of being, and if there is no demand to change, whether yours or anyone else's, what makes it a "problem"?

card_zero 1 day ago||
I was thinking of steam locomotive enthusiasts, actually. I mean, yes, if the future of coding is similar, it would be a pretty sad, farty old hobbyist world to be consigned to. But some people understand steam engines very well, and this isn't for anything except steam engines. You get a bunch of subtle side-benefits: generic problem-solving is transferable, which in this case isn't completely generic either because the general domain is engineering and physics. There's also the history angle. It's also just interesting: who knows what the benefit is? Many assorted inspirations may crop up from the stimulation, like with pure mathematics.

But it doesn't have to be so brutally outcome-based as you're demanding, although you do get a ride on a steam train out of it too.

It's not entirely unprofitable, either, if that matters. Niche.

skydhash 1 day ago|||
> you have a passion for building things that solve problems

The AI hypers are more about “building things” than “solving problems”. When you analyze their comments and projects, they can barely articulate what the project’s purpose is about. Or even if it can be used by somebody else. It’s always about LoC, coding speed, and specs complexity.

Ekaros 1 day ago|||
I always wonder what is the ratio of these projects that do "solve problems" and that appear to "solve problem" and that do not "solve problems"...

Most of times people would say the do solve them. Still I might or might not be right that quite often they do not in reality.

Kiro 1 day ago||||
You're talking about a very niche group out of all the devs using AI, which is the majority of developers.
senordevnyc 1 day ago|||
I know what you mean, there's definitely a contingent of people super hyped up about AI who seem to be using it to build stuff to build more stuff to build more stuff, and I don't know what actual problem they're trying to solve at the end of the day. But I'm not sure that doesn't mean there's value, like someone building carpentry tools and not actually building anything with them, but building them for others to use?

Regardless, in my case, I build a SaaS app that I sell to real non-technical small businesses in a tiny niche that helps them with a particular problem they face in their business. They don't care that it uses AI, they just need this problem solved at an affordable price so they can focus on other things. This solution that I sell would have been absolutely impossible to provide in an automated way pre-LLM, and I could never have built and grown this business on my own (in this time frame anyway, probably at all) without agentic development.

GuestFAUniverse 1 day ago||
I have a coworker who outputs unbearable amount of complex scripts even without LLMs.

So, I don't care. On the contrary: I can at least see a silver lining thanks to strong LLMs. They often can reduce the code to 20% without loosing anything obvious. Yes, it's error prone. But the untested and often not even linted code by my coworker is a maintenance hell and has a lot of subtle errors.

The main problem is that there isn't enough manpower to do proper reviews.

Which leaves us two options without LLMs: ignore the code and leave a lot of necessary work undone, or run brittle code, that never saw testing, linting and a second pair of eyes, in production and hope for the best.

At our place, I wouldn't mind if any commit would get at least a mandatory (surrogate) review by a decent LLM. Could not be worse than now.

ramesh31 1 day ago||
What hurts the most is the loss of community. Yeah it was a job, but it was a fun, cozy job. We got to sit around and think about things together all day, and poke holes in each others arguments, and collaborate toward a solution. There was a deep level of camaraderie and satisfaction in "being in the trenches" with your colleagues. It's all gone now. Juniors don't have questions anymore. Seniors are siloed off in their own world of feature development. And product has just become meat proxies. I'm dealing with a huge amount of grief over this now as someone who's lifelong vocation and sense of identity is seemingly evaporating.
hi_im_greg_h 1 day ago|
Agree, I don’t buy the doom and gloom that coding is dead and all our jobs are going away (some will).

But the damage that LLMs have done to the social aspect of work is horrible. Beyond horrible.

rybosworld 1 day ago||
Some people are taking longer than others to realize that the job has changed. That's all that I see in these rants.

It shouldn't be surprising that if you swim against the tide by doing things the old way, you are going to feel more burnt out because of it.

latexr 1 day ago|
> Some people are taking longer than others to realize that the job has changed. That's all that I see in these rants.

Some people are too quick to drink whatever kool-aid they’re served. That’s all I see in these tired excuses.

> It shouldn't be surprising that if you swim against the tide by doing things the old way, you are going to feel more burnt out because of it.

Better to swim against the tide than letting yourself get swept up in the current and drowning.

It no longer surprises me, but the profound lack of empathy shown by AI (or any other popular hype du jour) proponents is worrying. A large numbers of fellow humans are saying “this thing is negatively impacting my life” and the response is “lol, and you should be thankful”.

rybosworld 1 day ago||
> Some people are too quick to drink whatever kool-aid they’re served. That’s all I see in these tired excuses.

What part of "job has changed" is kool-aid, or an excuse?

> Better to swim against the tide than letting yourself get swept up in the current and drowning.

If you really think AI is something you can "defeat" by being stubborn then best of luck to you.

> It no longer surprises me, but the profound lack of empathy shown by AI (or any other popular hype du jour) proponents is worrying. A large numbers of fellow humans are saying “this thing is negatively impacting my life” and the response is “lol, and you should be thankful”.

Not sure how this relates to my comment even a little bit.

thelastgallon 1 day ago||
> Or, as one user so poetically put it, you're just a condom between Claude and your production server getting fucked. Your only real job is to be the warm body they can blame when the AI slop inevitably breaks.
ViktorRay 1 day ago||
That whole thread feels like something out of Black Mirror. Especially the comment from Claude AI right under the OP’s post summarizing the thread. The dark humor of the juxtaposition of Claude AI’s harsh summarization of all the users’ pain….pure Black Mirror.
robocat 1 day ago|
Yesterday I got an anthropic Claude advert on that thread, so dark I screenshot it... Text:

  Never get sidelined by your tools again

  Here for the 3am deploy
Just no.
my-next-account 1 day ago||
This sounds like it's gonna explode in our faces, tbh.
pointpth 1 day ago||
the reddit claudebot summary at the top is chefs kiss level of irony.
rglover 1 day ago|
All of this to avoid the reality that experience and expertise are a thing that can't be easily commoditized.
cyanydeez 1 day ago||
mmm, but software products _have been_ commoditized. Especially the bloated ones that are just a fluffy bunny attached to a CRUD.

We're watching in real time the conditions that created the Luddites.

huurtehoog 1 day ago||
Software development is not one thing. Some work like configuring frameworks is proving tractable to automation. But there's a lot more to software than writing glue code.

We may never again have as many "software developers" as we did in early 2020s. That shift is sure to have severe economic, political, social, and cultural consequences.

I am especially interested in how the work in security, assurance, performance, and such hard problems will evolve in respect to the large amounts of LLM-generated code. I see a lot of opportunities there. Not in terms of how many people will be able to work on that but in terms of how much income those competent enough will command. Individuals and teams. There are some really interesting developments in spaces that have historically been shunned by the framework configuration crowd. It seems to me that the advocates of speed over quality in software development are about to be swallowed whole by the tide of code they unleashed.

DonsDiscountGas 1 day ago||
Building frontier LLMs and coding agents isn't easy either
rglover 1 day ago||
What does building those have to do with my point?
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