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Posted by vrganj 1 day ago

Netherlands bracing for potentially devastating US sanctions against the ICC(apnews.com)
141 points | 131 commentspage 2
petcat 1 day ago|
> "The Trump Administration has been clear: the International Criminal Court is a corrupt and fatally politicized supranational court that has maliciously abused its authority and exceeded its mandate," Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a statement.

I've never really thought about the ICC at all other than just knowing that the few countries that possess both hard power (military) and soft power (economic) have refused to join or recognize the ICC since its inception in 2002.

Why would China and USA both not recognize it? It seems like they're the only ones that really matter.

lazyasciiart 1 day ago||
They don’t recognize it because they don’t have to. Why would you voluntarily agree to be bound by laws and subject to a court system if you have the option to just say you didn’t want to?
arlort 1 day ago|||
I'll preface it with the only part of the US argument against the ICC that is somewhat principled and reasonable: there is some concern that it'd be used for political prosecution of US service members or decision makers outside of constitutional guarantees like a jury trial

I don't think it actually would happen if it joined but since it's the US I can also imagine someone being pushed to (or doing it for some personal fame) to bend the procedural rules to at least launch an investigation that wouldn't generally be launched if the facts were the same in another western country.

That being said, their accusations towards the ICC as it has operated so far (as opposed to why they don't join) are mostly pretextual and right now they're mostly motivated by their alliance with Israel which is being investigated over Gaza

applfanboysbgon 1 day ago||
If you like doing illegal things, why would you voluntarily submit to a framework for punishing illegal things?
son_of_a_star 1 day ago||
As a reminder, 125 countries are a member of the ICC. Here is a partial list of countries not in the ICC:

- USA

- Israel (active war)

- Russia (active war)

- Iran (active war) - signed but not ratified

- Sudan(active war) - signed but not ratified

- Yemen (active war) - signed but not ratified

- Saudi Arabia (active war)

- North Korea (passive war)

- India (recent war)

- Pakistan (recent war)

- Vietnam

- Myanmar

- Ethiopia

- China

- Turkey

- Qatar

pbiggar 1 day ago||
This will further push the EU towards sovereignty, not just on a tech front but through the financial sector. Similar to their sanctions of the Iranian airlines - these are attacks on civilian and human rights infrastructure that other countries actually find value and alignment with.

Probably (hopefully) we'll look back on this as the start of the end of US soft influence.

account42 1 day ago|
Yes, these moves can only be self-defeating in the long term.
cromka 1 day ago||
Perfectly exemplified by Russia pushing Sweden and Finland towards NATO in a matter of 1 or 2 years.
penguin_booze 1 day ago||
This fuckery of US sanctions should end. Nations should stop enslaving themselves to the US.
poisonborz 1 day ago||
Almost none of the US's recent actions are new or a "turning point". All what the Trump government changed was to throw the gloves off and make it blatantly, stupidly obvious, and to act haphazardly and without thorough preparation.

ICC, embrace-extinguishing EU, exploiting Middle East, South America as colonies - these are not 180 turns, just playing the same game faster and dumber. Notable exceptions may be Canada or Greenland, but even there one might suspect they just surfaced a previously well disguised agenda.

ShadowOfThePit 1 day ago|
The ICC is a waste of money and resources, and pure bullshits. It has barely achieved anything except sentencing 23 people for an absurdly low number of years.

Commit 28 crimes against humanity? To jail! For 12 years! https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3070nlqnq3o

Enlist child soldiers? 14 years! - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Lubanga_Dyilo

> Champions of the court say it deters would-be war criminals, bolsters the rule of law, and offers justice to victims of atrocities. https://www.cfr.org/backgrounders/role-icc

lol. lmao.

Try to change my mind if you want.