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Posted by rubatrejo 1 day ago

28% of job postings on company career sites have been open over 90 days(unlisted.careers)
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throwitaway222 22 hours ago|
We need to make a law making it punishable to jailtime for posting fake, ghost, harvesting job postings. The proof is things like this - a posting for longer than 90 days.
glitchc 22 hours ago||
Sounds like there are too many white collar employees and not enough white collar jobs. The market can pick and choose, wait for the perfect candidate to pop up.
petcat 23 hours ago||
Meaningless stat. My company keeps our website job listings open indefinitely and it's because we're always hiring. We're just extremely selective.
platevoltage 19 hours ago||
This stat is meaningless because insert anecdote here.
mattm 22 hours ago|||
Every company is selective
coolThingsFirst 17 hours ago||
What a load of BS, if your churn rate is so high that you always have to hire that's a sign of a terribly toxic workplace.
petcat 4 hours ago||
We don't churn. We are constantly adding more and more developers
toomuchtodo 1 day ago||
Ghost jobs! Tremendous dataset. Hospitality and education roles listed near the top are likely strong signal the wages are inadequate and a refusal to raise the wage to a market clearing price. Healthcare is self explanatory, demand is voracious due to a rapidly aging population and wages available and appropriate in many cases.

> Hospitality postings sit the longest: 43.9% have been open more than 90 days, median 65 days. Healthcare turns over fastest at 19.7%.

(kudos to unlisted for aggregating and reporting, this gives me a data point to offer to jurisdictions and regulators interested in compliance monitoring in this context)

dofm 23 hours ago||
Education roles are also an indication of mandatory listing: they have someone internally in mind for a future vacancy but are legally required to list it.
toomuchtodo 23 hours ago||
Any citations are welcome on this for my source of truth knowledge graph. Thank you in advance.
mixdup 23 hours ago|||
It's the case for most government jobs (which in the US most education roles are for government institutions--whether it be traditional K-12 schools or universities). The law in most states and at the federal level require opening jobs to the general public to prevent favoritism, encourage diversity, discourage corruption, etc. It usually just results in having a job posting that is filled before it's posted as they will have an internal candidate, and the rest is for show

Source of truth from this one is I've worked in public higher ed in two states in the US and gone through this process personally

renjimen 23 hours ago|||
My partner is a teacher in rural Canada and this is true here, at least. District admins often design a role with someone in mind, setting very specific requirements to that effect (needs to have shop AND socials training/experience is one that comes to mind). They need to post the job to meet union criteria, but only one person could realistically fit the bill.
rubatrejo 23 hours ago||
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0xWTF 15 hours ago||
I have to say, as a middle-aged physician in the military, the dynamics of hiring terrify me. I interviewed to get into college, medical school, and residency. At all other times I have been gainfully employed. I hear about people studying for weeks or months for job interviews. What do you do to study?
AznHisoka 23 hours ago||
How do we know if this is normal or not? You really need a historical time series to know if it has always been like this or not
blitzar 23 hours ago||
Historically the ad was in a newspaper and you would sit and circle them with your breakfast while listening to the wireless.

Companies didnt pay to put the ad in the paper every day once the vacancy was filled.

jrochkind1 23 hours ago||
Hey, historically your "employer" would flog you if you tried to change "jobs".
blitzar 22 hours ago||
HR was much better at "employee retention" historically.
pixl97 22 hours ago|||
Job postings in the past were made in places with relatively limited space hence higher costs.

The internet has turned the cost of the vast majority of job postings to almost nothing.

Based on that information you tell me how you think the incentives will work?

rubatrejo 23 hours ago||
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jknoepfler 21 hours ago||
72% of job postings on company career sites are closed within 90 days. Pretty sweet.
doctorpangloss 22 hours ago||
Nobody has a solution for hiring.

We have AGI before we have general purpose hiring.

sidrag22 21 hours ago||
Its the same across the board for everything, no one has an answer for the noise AI creates. Really cool tech, but the timing is so bad because we just can't even fathom what dealing with the surplus of generated garbage looks like.

The answer is likely moving away from the internet entirely and having actual face to face screening right away. no company wants to commit to that, so its gonna continue to be some weird expectation from both sides where the applicant doesnt wanna be screened with AI, and the hiring team wants X amount of effort put into every initial application.

I think it just must move entirely offline, until some semblance of an answer exists, because right now like i said, we can't even fathom what a solution looks like online.

antisthenes 20 hours ago||
Don't worry, AGI is going to suck at hiring just as much as meatbags suck now.

You can't solve incentive-incompatibility with technology.

fHr 23 hours ago||
Yeah because they ask for low level kernel 10yoe specialists AI llm inference training phd people lol
Joel_Mckay 22 hours ago|
Could also mean 28% of "job" postings are not functioning as described.

Whenever you hear of labor shortages, it is almost always a euphemism for a shortage of people desperate enough to tolerate a terrible working arrangement.

The "AI" slop from staffing agencies, lead-generators, applicants, and data scrapers... have dropped the signal to noise ratio into spam number territory. =3

jnugunknjhgvb 22 hours ago|
=3
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