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Posted by aaronday 17 hours ago

Linux support is coming to Snapdragon X2 Series(www.qualcomm.com)
547 points | 226 commentspage 5
zb3 16 hours ago|
Why only for these "desktop" socs? Why couldn't Qualcomm partner with Debian/Ubuntu to bring support to their mobile chipsets? Why can't Qualcomm partner with PostmarketOS to help recycle old devices and avoid e-waste?

Well, in case anyone else is wondering, I have the answer. That's because Google is maintaining a cartel, the "GMS" cartel in short. Due to intense lobbying and incredibly weak antitrust enforcement, this cartel still continues to operate globally, keeping soc makers like Qualcomm, Mediatek and Unisoc in chokehold. We won't see any real competition in the smartphone space unless it's destroyed, but market forces alone can't do that.

tredre3 15 hours ago|
Tell us more about how it's Google who is preventing Qualcomm and Mediatek from upstreaming all their drivers?
zb3 15 hours ago||
Google controls the Android ecosystem (restricts what OEMs can do) and employs various practices to ensure there's no alternative besides Apple (this duopoly suits both of them). Chipmakers essentially focus on ensuring they can sell access to BSPs which meet Google requirements, as there's no real alternative for smartphones. If you're not Apple, these chips are meant to be used with GMS Android, that's the expectation.

If there were alternatives (like on the desktop and for some parts of IoT) it would be more cost-efficient to upstream everything, but with the current situation it's fully up to Google.

When Google wanted them to move all their chip-specific code to modules (GKI), they had to do that. And if someone at Google randomly decided "hey, now you'll upstream this stuff", then guess what? They'd have to follow, it's how this monopoly works.

wslh 17 hours ago||
Funny how Qualcomm is juggling three OSes to sell these chips while Apple just stuck a phone chip in the Neo and called it a day. Controlling the chip, the OS, and the actual computer is a huge advantage. Apple is more than one study case on competitive analysis.
cherryteastain 16 hours ago||
This is entirely Qualcomm's doing. If they supported Arm SBSA/UEFI+ACPI like some other Arm chip companies (e.g. Ampere) you could boot a generic Linux (or indeed BSD) Arm distro on their chips no problem. Controlling the entire platform is not necessary, just follow the standards.
rjsw 15 hours ago|||
I don't think that would help with GPU or NPU, which another comment states are the drivers that Qualcomm are upstreaming.
Danox 13 hours ago||||
Qualcomm expects to be paid. a toll/fee by each one of the Linux Distro’s for the privilege of being on the hardware with their chips in the device that is their history and one of the reasons why Apple spent five years kicking them out, they very definitely don’t act as a charity, so in the end, it will be interesting because someone is gonna pay their fee. the end user maybe?
cromka 16 hours ago|||
AFAIk this has nothing to do with Qualcomm but with vendors and Microsoft.
MrDrMcCoy 17 hours ago|||
All they have to do is support Windows and get their stuff upstreamed in the Linux kernel, no need for specific distro support. I'll never understand why SoC manufactures insist on bespoke kernel/distro pairings.
PorciiVorbesc 16 hours ago|||
>I'll never understand why SoC manufactures insist on bespoke kernel/distro pairings

So that if you want to use the next distro release you will be forced to buy their next-gen chip because that's the only supported one on that distro. D'uh.

aidenn0 15 hours ago|||
> I'll never understand why SoC manufactures insist on bespoke kernel/distro pairings.

Because getting your stuff upstreamed in Linux is more work than releasing a custom kernel.

bigyabai 16 hours ago||
What advantage? I'm always a bit shocked to see people say this without qualifying it at all.

On the contrary, Apple has to do a lot of greenfield work by refusing standards like UEFI, Vulkan and normal filesystems. They end up reinventing the wheel just to support the same featureset that Qualcomm, Nvidia, AMD and Intel all generally planned for.

Danox 13 hours ago|||
Apple’s advantage is being the last vertical computer company from the 1980s speaks for itself. having control of the hardware and the operating system software with the ability to create new ecosystems is their advantage in comparison to hardware or software only companies, Note: the tech world would be a better place if Sun, SGI, Digital, Acorn, Motorola of Schaumburg, Illinois had been able to survive the Microsoft/Intel onslaught.
wmf 16 hours ago||||
Is it more work to support a completely proprietary boot path or three different "standard" boot paths?
bigyabai 16 hours ago||
Hint: you would know the answer if you are familiar with the Windows, Linux and OSX boot process.
lunar_rover 15 hours ago|||
Advantage of commitment and integration. Apple doesn't need to worry about critical vendors not cooperating because sticking with x86 is less risky.
bigyabai 14 hours ago||
Apple didn't have to worry about that when they supported cross-industry standardization efforts. The only reason dGPUs are broken on macOS is because of Apple's software choices.
Danox 13 hours ago||
You sound very ridiculous. Why is Apple obligated? to follow Nvidia? or AMD? or Microsoft for that matter?

Intel said no to designing iPhone chips, IBM and Motorola couldn’t see a future of faster/better chips to meet the demands of future tech devices, Apple with that crazy CEO, Steve Jobs? Had to go it alone and the rest is history.

The Apple Silicon design group appears to be on a roll. What next? Bringing memory in house? I think they will. Because that will be the only way they can build the devices they want to build at a reasonable price going forward.

Before you yell no what is it about the last 28 years have you missed? They seem to be able to execute long-range projects when it comes to hardware and software in comparison to their tech peers, looking forward to the M7 ultra, in-house memory and the C3 modem.

jauntywundrkind 17 hours ago||
Yay!

Please sell >1 model of computer with X2 EE (elite extreme) please please please. Not that #1 was bad at all but more please! https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-Zenbook-A16-Laptop-Review...

I really hope it's like 2031 and we're swimming in way too many of these. Running great Linux. How sick would that be. (And X4 is running mainline great too).

FlowingRiver 17 hours ago||
While I am somewhat negative on ARM/RISCV systems due to there being like 50 different boot systems and ASIC setups, I am cautiously optimistic that something like the A16 will end up unintentionally becoming sort of a standard via a large amount being sold.

I suspect in the next 5 years something like this will come up.

wmf 17 hours ago|||
Ironically that's being fixed by Microsoft forcing UEFI.
MomsAVoxell 16 hours ago||
Unironically, the serious reason I don't want to embrace Snapdragon, is because: Qualcomm.
Danox 12 hours ago||
If Microsoft and Nvidia team up work out, you won’t have to.
jojobas 16 hours ago||
Lenovo has one (it's a Yoga, not a Thinkpad though).
stego-tech 5 hours ago||
Man I’m hoping this support extends to older Snapdragon X2 stuff as well as the current crop of chips. There’s a lot of VR/AR headsets out there otherwise running proprietary operating systems and left to rot that a generic Linux distro like Debian could rescue, though Qualcomm’s history makes me doubt those chips will ever see the same support their newer, AI-focused ones are with this announcement.

Still keeping my fingers crossed that in the near future we can throw Linux onto an HTC Vive Focus or a Meta Quest and re-take ownership of our data and devices, but it’s strictly hopium at this point.

shevy-java 6 hours ago||
Now if only Linux were to conquer the desktop as well ...
dsr_ 17 hours ago||
Three cookie banners. I bet the announcement is slop that doesn't even answer relevant questions.
thehamkercat 17 hours ago||
Weird, I only see one, even with ublock origin disabled.
cebert 13 hours ago||
Is your computer compromised? I see no banners.
Preston67 16 hours ago|
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