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Posted by Qision 1 day ago

PipePipe: NewPipe hard fork implementing SponsorBlock(github.com)
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ciefa 1 hour ago|
Nowadays I use Morphe for Youtube and Reddit. Seal Plus for downloading and VLC to play downloaded videos.

NewPipe was so buggy for me in the past, I've avoided it. Did it get better? Any reason to use it over Morphe?

satvikpendem 5 hours ago||
Why use this over Morphe? You can download from Morphe and it'll skip sponsorship segments too as they all use yt-dlp underneath.
sunaookami 4 hours ago||
Morphe just patches the YouTube app no? Then you need to still use that abomination. NewPipe/PipePipe is fast, lightweight and I couldn't care less about any "features" other than watching a video.
k4rli 1 hour ago||
Morphe/revanced with good configuration makes the official app super nice. Swipe controls, full OLED, no shorts, Sponsorblock.

Default app for sure is an abomination and so are most Androids straight out of the box before debloat + clean rom + root.

almostroot 1 hour ago||
What's the benefit of Morphe over Revanced? I've been using Vanced or Revanced for years, but I'm willing to change.

Bad name though, first few results for "Morphe" is a well-known make-up brand.

aembleton 2 hours ago||
I've been using Tubular which was a NewPipe fork that implemented SponsorBlock. Works really well, and I was going to see what the differences are. Just noticed, now that Tubular is no longer maintained.

I'll move over to PipePipe now.

flexagoon 40 minutes ago|
> Just noticed, now that Tubular is no longer maintained

How have you just noticed that when Tubular reliably broke every single month when YouTube changes something and you had to wait for weeks for it to be fixed? It was barely maintained for a long time now

QGQBGdeZREunxLe 1 hour ago||
Still no good solution for Apple TV? Running SponsorBlock container, on the same network appears to be the best solution but that only mutes ads and skips them when permitted.
elashri 5 hours ago||
This app and previously NewPipe is the main thing I miss after moving to iOS. I really can't stand ads (including organic ads that SponsorBlock deal with).
nrabulinski 4 hours ago||
I’m using https://github.com/Tonwalter888/YouMod on my iPhone and I’m very satisfied. It has integrated adblock, sponsorblock, and despite being modded stock YouTube app it has tons of features, like completely removing shorts from the app, customizing the UI, and more.
nntwozz 4 hours ago|||
Get https://github.com/yattee/yattee

I've been watching youtube without ads on all Apple hardware for years.

I use invidious as backend.

https://github.com/iv-org/invidious

Absolutely fabulous.

flopbob 4 hours ago||
i had a look at yattee, but it looks like there is only the possibility to sideload it to ios devices, which you would have to do every 7 days, or am I missing something? The repos is unfortunately very sparse with installation instructions
flexagoon 39 minutes ago|||
The installation instructions are here

https://docs.yattee.stream/docs/app/getting-started

nntwozz 3 hours ago|||
Sign up to the TestFlight.

https://yattee.stream/beta2

Super easy.

crazybonkersai 2 hours ago|||
Connect to VPN in Albania and you will get ad free YouTube experience. You are welcome.
noman-land 52 minutes ago||
Why?
microflash 4 hours ago|||
Although not a direct equivalent, but check out Unwatched [1].

[1]: https://github.com/fer0n/Unwatched

suprfnk 4 hours ago||
Yep, it’s pretty much the reason I don’t use Youtube on my iPhone almost at all.

It’s probably a good thing, actually.

olexsmir 5 hours ago||
Been using pipepiple since December of last year, very happy about the app. The developer seems to care about the project and introduces a lot of quality of life improvments.
nh2 4 hours ago||
> Set a sleep timer for bedtime listening

Killer feature!

globular-toast 7 hours ago||
I was curious why NewPipe didn't implement SponsorBlock. Is there a story behind why it doesn't? The repo hints at "differences" but isn't specific.
dev_hugepages 7 hours ago||
From https://newpipe.net/blog/pinned/newpipe-and-online-advertisi...:

> In summary, it can be said that sponsoring is a good approach. It is fair and non-discriminating to all users, preserves their privacy, lets creators select their partners themselves, and provides them with a larger share of the revenue. Even though there are some disadvantages, it is more or less beneficial for all sides. [...] Ethical advertising, for example through sponsorship, should therefore not be touched by us. This would turn our key selling proposition from being privacy-friendly to being a gatekeeper for advertising. And this is not what NewPipe ever has been or wants to be. We’ve always stressed that NewPipe’s main goal is to protect the users by maintaining their privacy, not to, e.g., provide features a user would otherwise have to pay for, for free. Regarding SponsorBlock: after a lot of discussion within the team, we decided not to support this system. As stated earlier, we don’t consider advertising in general problematic. It’s the unethical, privacy-invasive systems that are very common today which we consider evil. Sponsorship provides a mostly ethical way of advertising.

ndriscoll 6 hours ago|||
> Thus, employing a system to bypass those ads is harmful to those creators.

There's an obvious catch-22 here: either you are maintaining privacy, and the sponsor has no way to know whether their segment was viewed, so you are wasting your life watching an ad to make an inanimate object happy, or they are spying on you to learn whether you watch it.

Either way I fundamentally disagree with them on the idea that push advertising is ethical in the first place, but it's kind of absurd thinking about people feeling good about themselves for watching a recording. Like did you also not fast-forward your VCR through ads in those days and instead dutifully watch attentively lest God know you were naughty? You make sure to read all of the spam in your mail, or inserts in newspapers rather than chucking them in the bin?

II2II 5 hours ago|||
> There's an obvious catch-22 here: either you are maintaining privacy, and the sponsor has no way to know whether their segment was viewed

The same way they did in the past, with broadcast radio and television: they base it on audience numbers rather than tracking whether people actually listened or viewed the ad. Besides, isn't one of the major motivators of tracking to avoid fraud? (Which I find ironic, given I don't view advertisers as very ethical in the first place.)

> Either way I fundamentally disagree with them on the idea that push advertising is ethical in the first place

The way I think of it: advertising doesn't have to be unethical, but it incentivizes unethical behaviour.

> Like did you also not fast-forward your VCR through ads in those days and instead dutifully watch attentively lest God know you were naughty?

I would typically walk away to do something else. Same outcome though. That said, I started to turn away from broadcast media in the early to mid-1990's. I forget whether it was due to advertising, but the end result was a lot less exposure to advertising. Which is a good thing IMHO.

duskdozer 6 hours ago|||
I actually think this is 100% the correct move practically, as someone who thinks advertising is unethical. Keeping it out of this popular option while remaining open source allows the original to be clear from "wrongdoing" here and does not put so much pressure on creating an arms race. Then, the fork just adds sponsorblock, and things are ok.

As I see it, it's similar to the situation with FOSS passkey options. Currently the big projects are complying with all of the (increasingly silly, imo) demands of the standards org. If they did not, there would be significantly more pressure for attestation, in which ultimately only Google/Apple/Microsoft-controlled options would be permitted. Complying allows a fork to patch out the user-hostile behavior.

ndriscoll 6 hours ago|||
There is no wrongdoing though, except for the people that decide to build machines to waste other's time. Imagine spending your life on that. There's no need to carry water for the people who dedicate their lives to making everyone else's lives a little worse. Like if the wealthy paid people to go around littering (which, in a sense, is basically what mailers/inserts are).

Passkey likewise is a retarded idea with no user empathy, and by going along with their demands, you still push people into monopolistic ecosystems because the only way to use it in practice is with a cloud sync service. There's likewise no need to carry water for it. Anyone advocating for it outside of scenarios where you have an IT department to maintain it is either a fool or a shill.

Also NewPipe is still niche and appeasement isn't going to do anything. They'll end you when they feel like it. c.f. the tightening of the Android software monopoly in general. At some point they're just going to block NewPipe entirely. It's not like Google is thinking "well it's okay if they block our ads as long as they allow in-video sponsors." Nor are they ever going to think "wow maybe we should have some morals; maybe our global surveillance system we've built was a bad idea. I can't believe we didn't realize that!"

darkwater 6 hours ago|||
> Imagine spending your life on that

Well, there are people that actually like work in the marketing space. As scary as it sounds.

duskdozer 6 hours ago|||
Well, that's why I scarequoted it. Morally I agree with you, and for the same reason I will not support LLMs and the companies pushing them. But as it is, the techbros and the adbros will continue to move fast and break things, and nobody will check them, so if some people can divert them into breaking slightly less, it is a small consolation.
satvikpendem 5 hours ago|||
But NewPipe clearly circumvents YouTube ads so not sure how they wouldn't have faced pressure otherwise, and it's actually more so that YouTube doesn't care about sponsorship segments as they make no money from it so NewPipe would be even more in the clear if they didn't block YouTube ads but blocked sponsorship segments.
einsteinx2 6 hours ago||||
> As stated earlier, we don’t consider advertising in general problematic. It’s the unethical, privacy-invasive systems that are very common today which we consider evil. Sponsorship provides a mostly ethical way of advertising.

Considering the fact that the vast majority of YouTube sponsors seem to be some kind of scam or are privacy-invasive themselves, the word “mostly” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

satvikpendem 5 hours ago||||
They circumvent YouTube ads but draw a line at in video ads? Their stance is inconsistent, not to also mention that lots of sponsorship ads can be unethical (see the outrage over BetterHelp) while normal YouTube ads don't have to be unethical.
miladyincontrol 5 hours ago||
Issue further is that sponsorship ads put the onus on the video authors themselves to make a judgement call and put their own reputation somewhat on the line. Rather it lets them creator-wash half truths and potentially misleading information.

Not that I think youtube or other ad platforms make great decisions on ads one bit either, its all just a very abusable medium.

TomasEkeli 6 hours ago|||
Fair opinion. Also fair to fork when one does not agree. This is how the system is supposed to work.
mzajc 7 hours ago||
They wrote about it here: https://newpipe.net/blog/pinned/newpipe-and-online-advertisi...
m12k 6 hours ago||
Anyone know how PipePipe compares to SmartTube? I recently got a Google TV, and I’m looking for the best alternative YouTube viewer.
JMiao 7 hours ago|
is there an equivalent experience for desktop pcs?
UnlockedSecrets 6 hours ago||
Firefox with sponsorblock installed and ublock origin?
duskdozer 6 hours ago||
I haven't been able to watch youtube in the browser for ages. I get like one 10-20s chunk then nothing further. Do you use just the standard block lists?
TomasEkeli 6 hours ago|||
Works well for me on Firefox with uBlock origin without any special lists.

Personally I use my own fork of FreeTube on desktops, though, falling back to Firefox with uBlock when there are outages.

mystifyingpoi 3 hours ago||||
Your experience is strange, I use the official Chrome (not Chromium) with uBlock Lite and everything works perfectly (except the 5s delay at the start).
piaste 6 hours ago||||
Are you using a VPN? Youtube will be a jerk to those IPs. I need to set my exit node to either Poland or Albania to watch YT. (The latter incidentally is supposed to act as an ad-blocker due to local legislation banning some types of ads, but I have my own ad-blockers so I cannot confirm.)
tosti 5 hours ago|||
Even on the fastest computer I got, I have to wait 2 whole minutes for the website to finish loading. I think they really hate Firefox.
DavideNL 4 hours ago||
I use Firefox (and Librewolf), and have no issues.

So, it must be some extension or content blocker list causing that issue?

dddw 3 hours ago|||
Freetube is pretty great, also you can import your newpipe subs. Http://Freetubeapp.io
kilroy123 3 hours ago|||
Shameless promotion here but I think https://channelsurfer.tv is a good experience.
Flere-Imsaho 3 hours ago|||
Brave browser.

I'm not sure about transferring subscriptions between Pipe and Brave...?

Gander5739 4 hours ago|||
It's not that well known, but mpv supports playing youtube videos. I think you need yt-dlp installed.
emaro 2 hours ago|||
Grayjay I'd say. Also works great on Android.
duskdozer 6 hours ago|||
Freetube if it's still working? I haven't tried it in a while.
TomasEkeli 6 hours ago||
It's working again.
TiredOfLife 6 hours ago|||
Chrome with sponsorblock and ublock origin lite
vachina 6 hours ago|||
Reject Chromium, accept Firefox
F3nd0 4 hours ago|||
Why settle for lite?
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