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Posted by diek 8 hours ago

MongoDB CEO resigns to join Meta(www.reuters.com)
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modeless 5 hours ago||
Meta stock down 4% on the news...
boshalfoshal 4 hours ago|
Right, and lets ignore the fact that Meta rocketed up 50% in a month, and the rest of the market is also down ~1% because of crude going up.

-4% means nothing in context.

SpicyLemonZest 3 hours ago||
It doesn't mean Meta is burning down, but it does mean the market is not convinced the Meta Enterprise Platform is going to be some exciting new business direction.
fred_is_fred 8 hours ago||
As a non-joke question - I am surprised a CEO can do this. Wouldn't there be contract terms about notice period, orderly transition etc?
roryirvine 7 hours ago||
Yeah, notice periods are typical at that level even in the USA where they're not often used for the rank and file. A star candidate may have had sufficient leverage to negotiate them away, but I don't expect that to have been the case here.

Sometimes a new employer will offer compensation for any loss of stock options and/or to indemnify against any claim for breach of contract or similar.

But it could also be that Mongo have simply agreed to release him - he was only there for 10 months, and might not have turned out to be a great fit. Their share price has been more or less level in that time whilst competitors have been rising so it's not as if he had notable immediate success in boosting their appeal to enterprise customers.

ghaff 7 hours ago||
Anytime someone is at a company for less than a year and "departs," rightly or wrongly I assume there was some lack of meeting of the minds. I've known professional friends in that position but never asked about details.
roryirvine 7 hours ago||
The only thing that might give me pause is that there's no conciliatory language coming from Mongodb to indicate that it was a negotiated exit, not even a bland "by mutual agreement".

In fact, they seem to have gone out of their way to minimise any mention of him which, to me, suggests that it might have been worded that way based on legal advice rather than for PR reasons.

jedberg 6 hours ago|||
We don't have to guess, his offer letter is public record:

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1441816/000162828025...

As far as I can tell, there is no notice period.

next_xibalba 8 hours ago||
Likely anything that goes beyond missing out on compensation (ex: unvested RSUs) or even clawing back some comp would violate labor laws. CEOs are still employees, and legislation regulating employer-employee relations trumps all contracts.
rcxdude 8 hours ago|||
A lot of these labor laws get less protective for higher-ranked people in a company, whether it be due to thresholds based on compensation or explicit carve-outs for executives/board members. It varies a lot from place to place.
neom 7 hours ago||
In the US, there is only one labor law that is different for execs and high paid employees and that is overtime rules. Fiduciary duty does govern how a director or officer behaves while in the role, loyalty, no self-dealing, no stealing corporate opportunities etc. It doesn't oblige them to stay or dictate how they must leave.

In US and English law, "specific performance", so a court ordering you to do what you promised, isn't available for personal service contracts. In the US that's reinforced by the 13th Amendment's ban on involuntary servitude. So even if a CEO signed a contract promising 6 months notice and a smooth handover, the company can't make them do it, they can only enforce any financial penalties that are contracted.

jtwaleson 8 hours ago|||
There are many many instances where the CEO is not an employee, but they operate via their own legal entity. To be honest I don't know how this works at larger companies.
SkyPuncher 7 hours ago|||
I have never heard of this. Do you mind sharing some examples?
next_xibalba 5 hours ago||||
I'd never heard of this. It turns out it is very rare for publicly traded companies [1]. In these cases, I would guess it comes down to contract terms. But again, it's not as though the law would compel an individual to continue working at a company. It would just come down to what the contracts say, and, potentially, how the courts interpret those contracts in the event of a lawsuit.

[1] Examples I found: Worksport Ltd., Exicure, Inc., Rainmaker Worldwide Inc., and Acorn Energy, Inc.

kiicia 7 hours ago||||
it simply works, that's how you optimise tax on million+ sums, do you think ceo-s pay taxes on par with regular workers?
SoftTalker 5 hours ago||
Yes, CEOs pay taxes on income. The only way around that is to structure the compensation so it's not income, and the IRS probably has tried to prevent that as much as possible. I'm not a tax or HR expert but I'd think unrealized gains on stock compensation might not be. Deferred compensation might not be, until it's actually paid.
Onavo 8 hours ago|||
A contractor CEO? I know it is extremely common for directors to be contractors for tax reasons.
fred_is_fred 8 hours ago||
I've always wanted model sharding.
awad 7 hours ago||
I was surprised Facebook Workplace lasted as long as it did. But, hey, it took Google a few tries to get GCP (anyone remember the Search Appliance?) to a solid place so I wouldn't count Meta out of being able to make an enterprise splash just yet.
LoganDark 8 hours ago||
I wonder if people like this actually try to get into the company, or if they just got a very attractive offer instead?
sulam 7 hours ago|
So when you say "try", it's not like he was leetcoding on the side or anything. The way roles work at this level is a combination of network, exec recruiters, and eventually you talk comp. I hate to stereotype, but I'm going to assume in this case that there is someone senior at Meta that he is strongly connected to who referred him in. And by "referred him in" I don't mean submitted his name to some recruiter, I mean informing him the role even existed and making sure he was on the short list of consideration. Often this person is even the hiring manager, these are not roles you just let the recruiting pipeline fill with any person who fits the screening profile.
LoganDark 7 hours ago||
By "try", I mean there's a difference between applying and getting accepted, and getting an offer out of the blue. They've sent out some unsolicited offers before, and poached some executives that way, so that's why I ask.

You're right though that the process in practice can be more fuzzy (e.g., you weren't looking, but heard of an attractive opportunity and then applied that way).

catunionist 6 hours ago||
This is insane
fithisux 6 hours ago||
He doesn't believe in Mongodb anymore. That is how I read it.
lestertomlin 3 hours ago||
lol
d2kx 7 hours ago|
But is MongoDB's stock web scale?
hedgehog 7 hours ago||
Because there might now be people on this site literally born after that fad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
davidw 7 hours ago||
I wish he'd make more videos - they were really funny

https://www.youtube.com/@gar1t/videos

hedgehog 7 hours ago||
Speaking of xtranormal, around the same time there was a great treatment of the lean startup (you have to iterate!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J9KhpgYVB0

I worked at IMVU [1] so it was extra funny.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMVU

lenerdenator 6 hours ago|||
Web scale is old hat. We're now on planet scale.
cozzyd 6 hours ago|||
needs more sharding.
blitzar 7 hours ago||
thats an excellent question
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