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Posted by crorella 10 hours ago

GPT 6.1 Sol: Near-Astra intelligence for a fifth of the price(openai.com)
811 points | 747 commentspage 8
MisterMunchkin 9 hours ago|
Still too expensive. Needs to come down to $1 or less to compete with china.
AspireOne 5 hours ago|
It did. And 6.1 now outcompetes China in most cases.

Chinese models are cheap and fast by token, but they generate oceans of thinking tokens in order to accomplish the same result GPT-6.1-Sol accomplishes in, comparatively, two drops of thinking tokens, making the Chinese models come out costlier and slower per actual task performed end-to-end.

Here's from artificialanalysis.ai, per task:

* Deepseek-v4.1-flash (max): 0.27$, 5.5 minutes, 89k tokens generated.

* GPT-6.1-Sol (medium) : 0.21$, 2.2 minutes, 8k tokens generated.

API pricing. With Sol having SUBSTANTIALLY better performance.

sanex 9 hours ago||
If it's so good why is Dots, also released today, based on Astra?
ChaseRensberger 9 hours ago||
very surprised by the sentiment against GPT 6.0 Sol, I've been using it exclusively since release and it feels like a cheaper astra to me. admittedly I haven't tried any anthropic models in a while other than small tests since i can't use my anthropic subscription in other harnesses (like OpenAI has supported natively for a long time).

If OpenAI cuts alternative harness support it will be a weird day trying to figure out what to do next, it's been so clearly the best bang for your buck (imo) for a while. maybe id finally have to give smaller models a try.

anything to avoid using the dogwater codex & claude code tuis.

anyways this seems like a nice cost improvement over GPT 6 Sol and I expect this will be my new daily driver.

unsupp0rted 9 hours ago|
This is the first time I've seen praise for GPT 6.0 Sol: it's widely disparaged on Reddit and here in the HN comments too. My own experience likewise shows 6.0 making loads of silly mistakes, both for things 5.6 Sol is good at and things 5.6 Luna Xhigh is good at.
ChaseRensberger 9 hours ago||
well i could certainly be in the wrong; i'm just speaking from my personal and likely flawed experience but i feel like i've noticed silly mistakes in every (llm) model that has been released (and that i've sufficiently used) and it hasn't felt like 6 Sol was much of a regression from 6 Astra (more than reported in both model cards), both of which ive very extensively.

not saying this is the case here but it does feel a bit like wine tasting sometimes, everyone claims to be an expert that can taste a few tokens and tell you exactly what region and vineyard its from.

cannonpalms 7 hours ago||
OpenAI is cutting their subscription's token value in half. Half. I don't think this is enough to help them compete with Opus 5.5.
jrflo 6 hours ago|
Just for the $200 tier, which was formerly the 20x weekly usage of the $20 tier. Now it's 10x the weekly usage, just like Anthropic's $200 tier.
gavin_gee 10 hours ago||
the race to the bottom on models is well underway. huge IPO's only really make sense for DC/HW lockups, and going vertical.
aaronbrethorst 10 hours ago||
Shots fired, half the price of Opus 5.5.
par 9 hours ago||
Ok when can i get this in codex?
ghm2180 9 hours ago||
> At the same time, OpenAI is also making its existing $200 Pro plan less appealing. In Codex and Work, $200 Pro subscribers will see their included usage decrease from 20x of what the company offers to Plus users, down to 10x of that same allowance. In ChatGPT, meanwhile, GPT-6 Pro message caps will decrease from 200 to 100 per week.”

Fuck altruism, ammi right? lets make money, gobs of it by screwing the middle users as much as we can to push them into just two tiers: Ones that use it for recreation and others that pay through their noses.

barrenko 10 hours ago||
A night of no sleep this one will be.
cmiles8 7 hours ago|
The only real question that matters at this point is what do the economics look like for OpenAI. If they make good money on this with sane accounting principles then great. If this is just throwing more gasoline on the pile of burning cash to avoid losing more inference business then this bubble can’t pop soon enough.
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