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Posted by alvis 6 hours ago

Dots: Always-on agents(openai.com)
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galaxyLogic 4 hours ago|
Isn't this much the same as OpenClaw or Hermes?

I think it's a good thing that AI providers are "coalescing" on an agent-model, by producing competing agent-products.

But so what would be the benefit of "Dots" over OpenClaw, Hermes, and Muse?

jameslk 4 hours ago|
It's Dropbox vs rsync. The agent providers are making it stupidly easy to use something like OpenClaw/Hermes with zero set up and a very low learning curve. Also, in their technotopia, you don't use your computer to host the agent, you use theirs. When you need to drive, they give you screen sharing access, but its still on their servers. The benefit to the user is they don't have to make an upfront expensive payment for computer hardware anymore, and the agent provider gets to own all of your compute and data in their cloud
MeuhMeuh 4 hours ago||
Just an unnecessary product on top of async agents. I'm always confused by how many people "buy it" while what we should just care about are model capacities (real ones, not bullshit benchmark ones).
lmf4lol 3 hours ago||
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Our Bluehouse platform is an alternative and I promise you, we are not after your data. We just want to give everyone access to really cool Personal Assistants without having to sign up with the big corpos. We are based in Europe , which might be appealing - or not [1].

We currently raise pre-seed, so seats are limited, but its fully functional already. We run our whole business with it. You can talk to the agent via our beautiful apps or Telegram/Whatsapp if you want. I prefer the apps though as it gives access to very specialized functionality.

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apsurd 3 hours ago|
sorry this landing page is going hard on claudish. it's unreadable.
minimaxir 6 hours ago||
dots dots, more dots. k stop dots.

Claw is a cute name. Muse is cute name. Dots (note: not always upper-case) seems forced and impersonal, which doesn't match the vibe in the promo video.

dstroot 6 hours ago||
OpenAI is so good at marketing and naming (e.g., "ChatGPT").
zahrevsky 6 hours ago|||
I guess they are just stuck with this name, as originally this was a research project “Chat with GPT” to try to use a GPT model to generate assistant's chat messages.
IshKebab 6 hours ago||||
ChatGPT was named before anyone realised it would become so well known, and by the time it was it was too late. It's not like BERT is an amazing name either.
rpozarickij 5 hours ago|||
There used to be Bard but no one remembers it anymore (although this is a bit different, because Bard wasn't nearly as well known as Gemini).

I'm really curious if OpenAI wanted to adopt a different name at some point. Or maybe they hope that sometime in the future one of their products will supersede ChatGPT and everyday people will start using that new name for everything AI so maybe they aren't in a rush to rename ChatGPT itself to anything else.

IshKebab 2 hours ago||
It seems like they have dropped ChatGPT in favour of just GPT... And they are going pretty hard with Astra/Sol/Luna too. So I guess they'll go with those if they're successful.

They're definitely missing a good unifying name like Claude though. (RIP anyone called Claude - when are companies going to stop fucking people over by giving popular products existing human names?)

efskap 5 hours ago|||
But BERT's name led to some wonderfully named spinoffs like CamemBERT and FlauBERT for French, as well as ALBERT, RoBERTa, etc.
foolfoolz 6 hours ago|||
ChatGPT is a perfectly cromulent name
verzali 3 hours ago||
Cat, I farted.

Oui, c'est bien ça en Français.

lxgr 5 hours ago|||
Muse is pretty bad branding in that it first was the name of a model, then that of a harness/agent/consumer product.

Claw is also an existing name for an existing harness/agent, but at least that would be the same category as dots.

nba456_ 6 hours ago|||
Muse is a cute name?
tancop 5 hours ago|||
A muse is someone who gives you inspiration and is always there when you need them most. Muse the agent has personalized home screen suggestions as a main feature and is always online.

It's also short, gender neutral, not a human name (unless you're nonbinary because they can get wild), easy to pronounce and sounds good. This is what happens when your marketing department is one of the best in the world.

cindyllm 3 hours ago||
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therealdrag0 5 hours ago||||
Muse is a fantastic name. Cuteness is debatable
jeffgreco 6 hours ago||||
Claw is a cute name?
giarc 6 hours ago|||
The muse character is cute, muse the name is not.
S0y 6 hours ago||
Watch the tail!
thih9 2 hours ago||
> The magic of dots is when they bring you work done the way you would do it, sometimes before you even think to ask.

I like my work! That’s why I do it. I don’t want some third party to replicate my skills.

I know this ship has mostly sailed and my point is not about turning it back.

I just wonder where are other approaches to AI, in particular: tools focusing on skill enhancement.

ElijahLynn 2 hours ago||
I'm excited to try Dots out, I'm pretty tech savvy and don't really want to run my own open claw (I've successfully setup open claw previously). I'm very excited to have frontier intelligence at a decent price, be available in a managed always on agent.

Now I also just need open AI to release their own phone so I can summon it with my own hotword and not have to say okay f*** Google ever again.

My main concern is how I can have work accounts and personal accounts seamlessly be one and not have to log in to different ones.

realharo 6 hours ago||
I wonder at what point they'll have to answer the inevitable question: "why does the agent even need me anymore"?
famouswaffles 4 hours ago||
Their explicit goal is to create "highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work." They are just building towards that. It's not a secret.
dc_giant 5 hours ago|||
^ this is the thought I had 10 times reading through their announcement page.
jansport123 5 hours ago||
what do you think they are working towards? They do want to replace software engineers with these agents.
realharo 4 hours ago||
I don't just mean software engineers, more like entire companies.

Their demos are getting awfully close to the point where all the things just run themselves. It's only by choice that they didn't demo it that way.

yuck39 4 hours ago||
This is a direct play to try and shortcut their way into this position and they will spend anything to do it. Once Dots has all your credentials, daily activities, schedule, etc within its system it is then able to produce a metric to describe just how much/little _you_ actually do. Then its just a flip of the switch and the agent takes your role still operating as _you_. It would probably continue to send emails in your name and no one within your former org would be the wiser.

The challenge with mass replacement of employees is having someone come in and rearchitect the whole system with fancy harnesses and new agentic org charts. This completely bypasses that. Here is a shiny new toy that will do your job for you if only you spend a few weeks teaching it how...

zurfer 3 hours ago||
Ah damn it, I knew Dot was a good name for an agent. When we named our product I thought: a bot that analyzes data should be called dot. It's easy to type also in Slack. Ah well. Next product will just be some random 3 letters: gpt or so. What are the odds?
rvshchwl 6 hours ago||
It seems that this is the new primitive all AI vendors are converging onto next, first chat, then code, and now always-on Agents. I'm curious to see when or if Anthropic builds something similar to this as well, especially since the market Grok Bot, Muse and Dots is catering to is business and enterprise users, which seems to be where Anthropic is focused.

The ideal evolution would be for these Agents to work with each other, but it's unlikely these companies would do anything to prevent vendor lock-in.

mccoyb 4 hours ago|
I love these commercials where someone has chosen to show how the AI product will essentially be used to slop out some garbage piece of corpo communication ... and the user basically says "looks good" with barely any thought, then mixed with some sort of real life thing (wedding planning here).

I mean, I feel like I'm going crazy -- but I was struck by this jarring blending of experiences ... shitting out some growth plots followed by autopilot on your wedding. Nice OpenAI. The only thing missing is a moment of self-reflection where I contemplate where exactly I lost what makes me ... me.

Is this what SV wants the world to look like? Mixing fucking cake batter while a bot shows me a regression to the mean website? Pretending like I have any sort of intentionality in my life, while a nameless entity (given quirky form) sort of walks me through my life?

I'm not sure why it gave me this impression, but strikes me as vaguely reminiscent of soma (from Brave New World).

Kind of sad, because the tech is actually incredible: who are they hiring to storyboard these commercials?

ryeights 4 hours ago|
Meat proxy at work, meat proxy in your personal time. The utopian visions of AI futures strike me as alternative forms of hell. Humanity accomplishes everything and it means nothing, actions have no real consequence, the bumpy friction and individuality of life smoothed to a plane of perfect optimization.
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