Posted by anerli 4 hours ago
We're both software engineers and previously built an open source browser agent to 4k+ GH stars and 100k+ downloads. We increasingly wanted to run it on local models, but found that no inference engine worked for our use case.
Inference engines today all make a performance tradeoff. They are either:
- Built for batched inference on datacenter hardware at the cost of single-session performance (vLLM, SGLang) - Designed for broad compatibility instead of optimizing for specific hardware (llama.cpp, Ollama) - Specialized for specific hardware or models but lacking engine completeness (oMLX, ds4)
Plus none of them are designed for running agents locally. Sessions are long, several often run at once, and you still want to use your computer for other things.
Magnitude is built for maximum performance on your hardware and running local agents:
- On-device compilation and tuning: Kernels are written with flexible parameters that are tuned on your actual device before the model runs. This gives you broad hardware compatibility with the same performance ceiling as hardware-specific kernels.
- Focus on best architectures: We write our tunable, highly efficient kernels for the most popular open-weights families. This allows us to achieve and surpass the performance of hardware or model specialized engines, without forcing ourselves to over-generalize at the cost of performance.
- Dynamic memory allocation: Magnitude reserves only enough memory up front to hold model weights. As your agent sessions grow, the memory heap dynamically increases, and frees itself when agents stop. Your hardware can still be used for other stuff while agents run.
- Hybrid paged attention: We borrow the best ideas from engines like SGLang to allow concurrent sessions to share prefix caches, but optimize placement for memory-adjacency so single-session performance doesn't suffer.
Magnitude is fully open source (Apache 2.0). We built it in Rust, including a custom GPU kernel runtime and autotuner. We take inspiration from the best innovations in inference from academics (e.g. FlashAttention, FlashInfer, TurboQuant) as well as other engines (e.g. SGLang radix attention) to reach the performance ceiling.
Benchmarked against llama.cpp with Qwen 3.6 35B A3B (4 bit), 64k context, no speculative decoding:
Metal (Mac M4 Pro 48 GB) - 92% faster decode (30 tok/s → 57 tok/s) - 9% faster prefill (466 tok/s → 507 tok/s) - 28% less per-agent memory usage
CUDA (DGX Spark) - 19% faster decode (49 tok/s → 58 tok/s) - 23% faster prefill (2,033 tok/s → 2,507 tok/s) - 27% less per-agent memory usage
Magnitude ships as a desktop app that you can easily connect with whatever agents you already use (Pi, OpenCode, Hermes, Codex, and more). It automatically runs models on demand when these agents actually need them, and shuts them down after inactivity. Here's what it looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qE8BWEZu7o
We're excited to push Magnitude further to let you run bigger models on the same hardware while continuing to improve performance. Our plans include:
- Expert streaming: store experts on RAM or disk and load them just-in-time. This lets you run models bigger than what otherwise would fit on your GPU.
- Kernel compiler: our current kernels tune a few parameters to fit your hardware. We can take this further with a fully custom compiler that automatically chooses how to fuse kernels and which implementations to use, to make it fit to your hardware even better.
- Multi-device utilization: Make the best possible use of all hardware on a system (CPU, GPUs, RAM, disk) by detecting these and automatically solving for the best model layout.
We'd love for more people to try it out and give us feedback. Feel free to comment here, we'll be around all day!
Then it rebuilds latest llama.cpp, grabs the PRs it finds relevant to test against, and then it performs a benchmark and finalizes the upgrade and verifies what model, variant, or even a separate finetune that we should be running.
Occasionally, it performs its own optimizations and commits, which then gets superseded by pull requests and merged code that essentially validates the model's own optimization directionality.
Definitely still helps to reference relevant academic work as well, or even just encouraging the agent to make bigger structural leaps, otherwise it will often get stuck working on low impact micro-optimizations.
I found it to be a good baseline, but at least on Mac there was always something way faster, and/or with better memory requirements - like you said, ds4, omlx, mtplx, etc. It seems if you use local LLMs for real, there is very little reason not to use one of the more optimized engines.
3 main failure modes I observed in the engines:
* Not using best available spec decoding
* Using too much VRAM for KV cache (e.g. KV cache used to take almost nothing in ds4, but huge amount of VRAM on unsloth/llama.cpp for deepseek models)
* Degraded performance at large context sizes - benchmarks at 4K or 32K are awesome, but at realistic 100-200K it's slower than some stupid baseline
Spec decoding: Models in our catalog come assigned with an assigned drafter model for speculative decoding based on the best known method and model available for that target model (support DFlash, DSpark, and DFlash2).
Using too much memory for KV cache: We use a TurboQuant-inspired quantization of KV cache to 8-bit keys and 4-bit values. This drops KV memory usage by over half and also speeds up decode. Based on long context quality benchmarking we've done it does not seem to negatively impact retrieval or coherence over long context.
Large context sizes: our KV quantization helps a lot for this, and we focus our optimizations on specifically longer-context requests since that's what most agent inference actually looks like.
Quantization is another thing. There are so many engines launched with claims about speed, but in many cases it's optimizing specific lower-quality quants. When you have enough resources, you usually want something like W8A16 + full precision KV cache working as fast as possible, not yet another W8A8 or W4A16.
In general, it seems new models are released so fast now - engines don't always have time to really polish the implementation before the next model is released
All our benchmarks are open source so you can check it out here if you'd like: https://github.com/magnitudedev/magnitude/blob/main/inferenc...
External/policy-based throttling for temperature control. Unthrottled, my laptop bottom goes skin-burn hot. But fixed compute caps can have non-linearly dreadful performance impacts in particular cases. Plan is a runtime knob, to replace manual limits-kludgery.
I'll use models which barely fit in VRAM+RAM, and are order-1 tok/s slow. So tool call step overhead can be painful - a world where `ls` costs tens of seconds. Plan is blending harness plugins with inference loop, for "no, don't stop - I already have the call result for you - just keep going" (and also some logit games).
Unfortunately even with my 5070ti, llama.cpp seems to be about 20-30% faster at decode, running as:
set CUDA_VISIBLE_DEVICES=0 build\bin\Release\llama-server -hf google/gemma-4-12B-it-qat-q4_0-gguf -ngl 99 --no-mmproj-offload -mg 0 -c 262144 -fa on --host 0.0.0.0
Currently we don't support multi-GPU setups, that is on our near-term roadmap. It saying the model is too big for that GPU might be a bug - would you be willing to open a github issue with more detail on your setup? https://github.com/magnitudedev/magnitude/issues
As for performance, there may be some variability still depending on the model and backend. We have room for improvement for various setups that we are closing as we work out some details with our kernels and tuning system, so appreciate the data point and will look into that combination.
would love to try it again when you have updates
And a more general question: does your engine detect and optimize for custom setups like multiple (possibly different) GPUs, eGPUs,...? Because if all you have is a stock major system like a Mac or DGX Spark, that's all you're going to care about, and there are a lot of highly optimized single-hardware engines out there that will be hard to beat in the long run. Something that automatically adapts to custom systems that don't have their own subreddits could really fill a gap.
Qwen3.8-Flash-Next support will also be added very soon.
Taking full advantage of all the hardware on your machine in the most performant way possible is the overall goal of the inference engine. This includes a lot of what you're describing. We want to map out the full hardware topology of your system (one or more GPUs, CPU, memory), and compile a combination of kernels to serve a given model optimally across that stack, allocating different parts of the workload wherever it fits best.
Currently we're writing tunable kernels that optimize themselves for one device, but we're working on a kernel compiler that will be able to compile and distribute kernels across any number of devices in a system.
For llama.cpp, we try to make the comparison as fair as possible by using similar settings. No speculative decoding, default prefill batch sizes, flash attention on.
We tried also quantizing the KV cache to 8-bit keys and 4-bit values like we do in Magnitude, but this bombed decode speed for llama.cpp in our testing. Since it seems llama.cpp did not optimize that path, we used 16-bit KV instead.
The source for the benchmark is available here also: https://github.com/magnitudedev/magnitude/tree/main/inferenc...
Q: From my (very, very limited!) understanding, I’m under the impression that part of the “inference engine inertia” is that model- or at least architecture-specific code is required for most, if not each new open-weight model coming out.
Assuming I got that right, do you plan on supporting everything vLLM/llama.cpp can do, such that Magnitude becomes a drop-in replacement for as many (economically/pareto-viable) models as possible, or do you want to focus on the best possible support for only a select few models/classes of models?
We plan to support any model architecture that we believe is somewhere along or close to the pareto frontier. There's some model families that are outdated or more niche that we don't necessarily want to put our focus into.
Can it do all the shenanigans that allows to run qwen flash on 12GB vram over 40 toks like people seems to be getting in this thread?: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1wp7zyb/qwen38f...
Our plan to enable running bigger models on less GPU memory in a way that'll remain productive is expert streaming. This will let you offload experts for MoE models to RAM or disk, and load them when needed. This can have some performance tradeoff, but is lossless.
Magnitude is optimized for maximum single-session performance and memory efficiency - so we should be more performant for local inference use cases.
Maybe have it run silently in the background and assess on demand when a user selects / attempts to download a model. It's not quite clear why all need to be assessed before I can download the first model to try.
Could you share your hardware and OS details to help us identify what might be the issue here?
There's also a github issue open on this topic if you want to leave a comment there: https://github.com/magnitudedev/magnitude/issues/142